I inadvertently hijacked another thread with some of my philosophy about group identity and the strength that comes from bonding with those one shares a common commitment. Then I saw this article Kanye West on Obama's Failures: ‘Black People Don’t Have the Same Connections as Jewish People’ | NewsBusters which perfectly illustrated my point and took it as a sign I should explore it more. So, how does one select a reliable groups of go-to folks who can be counted on when everything is on the line? I know some who in the prepper community who would be challenged by this. Specifically, self-sufficient types who contently keep to themselves and do their own thing and don't bother anyone. Kids have moved away, perhaps. Maybe they have lost faith in organized religion due to liberalization of main stream protestants or zealotry of some evangelicals. Perhaps they are highly capable people who are intolerant of the BS or drama or flakiness of others. But, when mutant ZOMBIE bikers show up in a group of twenty or thirty with ARs and sniper rifles, they will eventually need someone to back them up. So, this discussion is open. How have you built strength in numbers in the sense of a group who will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and spill or shed blood as needed post-SHTF? Family? Neighbors? Church group? Gun clubs? Biker gang? VFW? Racial or ethnic identity groups?