Stupid antivacciners making headlines again

Discussion in 'Survival of the Fittest' started by oil pan 4, Feb 4, 2019.


  1. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    They are particularly a threat to those who are immune suppressed, and / or who, for medical reasons, cannot be vaccinated, These people rely on the herd immunity of others, for their protection; Once the herd immunity diminishes because anti vaxxers persuade more and more people not to become vaccinated, then such people lose the benefit of that herd immunity, making them vulnerable to infection.
     
  2. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I don't like the flu shot because it always makes me sick.
    The worst was the h1n1 vaccine, it's effectiveness was spotty and the side effects were so bad they should have just given us h1n1.
    I know 2 people this year who got the flu shot, got the flu because they went to the clinic and tested positive for flu.
    The strange thing was I'm around those people a lot I didn't get it, I'm just going to chalk it up to dumb luck and not some irrational government conspiracy.
    Otherwise I get my vaccines.
     
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  3. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

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  4. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I never get flu shot ... like @oil pan 4 it makes me sick and then I get another flu variation right after. I will take my chances without the flu shot. I have had all the other shots because I travel.... that yellow fever one... I hope I never have to do again. it caused me a lot of physical aches and pains for years after

    I am not a fan of vaccinations the way they are done today. Many of us had the major vaccination before they were poluted with other crap by big pharm. Unless you have looked at what is going into vaccination today vs 20-30 years ago, you might want to reconsider your opinion on them.
     
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  5. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Yellow fever was the worst.

    Last time I checked a few months ago, before flu season hadn't really even started the flu had killed at least 150 people in the US.
    If you compare now to before the flu shot thousands of people died per year from flu or flu complications in low flu year.
    Then there's 1918, flu that killed at least 3% of the world's population. Estimates are as high as 10% as governments hid the facts of the outbreak the best they could. Bet they wish they had a flu shot.
     
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  6. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    New, large study confirms: Measles vaccine doesn’t cause autism
    By Isaac Stanley-Becker
    The Washington Post

    The notion that vaccines might cause autism was refuted nine years ago, when a British medical panel concluded in 2010 that Andrew Wakefield, the doctor with undisclosed financial interests in making such claims, had acted with “callous disregard” in conducting his research.

    But in 2019, professional epidemiologists are still devoting time and resources to discrediting Wakefield’s work, which set off a steep decline in vaccinations, including in the United States, where Wakefield moved in 2004.

    An increasing number of parents are exempting their children from immunization for religious, personal and medical reasons, in a trend that public health experts warn is threatening to reverse the progress that allowed officials to declare measles eliminated in the U.S. in 2000. In January and February of this year, 206 individual cases were confirmed in 11 states — more than the number of cases in all of 2017.

    The latest evidence unequivocally denying any link between autism and the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella — a two-dose course that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says is 97 percent effective — came Monday in a paper published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

    Researchers at Copenhagen’s Statens Serum Institute examined data for Danish children born from 1999 through the end of 2010, more than half a million people all together. The epidemiologists and statisticians then used population registries to link information on vaccination status to autism diagnoses, as well as to sibling history of autism and other risk factors.

    The findings show that the vaccine does not increase the risk of autism, lending new statistical certainty to what was already medical consensus. The researchers further concluded that vaccination is not likely to trigger the developmental disorder in susceptible populations and is not associated with a clustering of cases appearing after immunization.

    “The appropriate interpretation is that there’s no association whatsoever,” Saad Omer, a professor of global health, epidemiology and pediatrics at Emory University, said in an interview with The Washington Post.

    In an editorial accompanying the study, however, Omer and a colleague asked whether vaccine research was best conducted as a “response to the conspiracy du jour.” Limited resources, they suggested, might be better spent on promising leads in autism research than on continuing to engage with “vaccine skeptics.”

    Omer nevertheless hailed the Danish paper as “the largest, or one of the largest, studies on the subject.” Its only limitation, he said, was one basic to all observation studies, that “you can’t intentionally vaccinate people or prevent them from vaccinating to study the effects, which would be unethical.”

    He offered that assessment on the eve of a Senate hearing on vaccines and the outbreak of preventable diseases, where he is scheduled to give expert testimony Tuesday alongside public health officials and other researchers, as well as a teenager, Ethan Lindenberger, who got vaccinated against the wishes of his parents.

    Though the study was not intended to coincide with the congressional inquiry, the results did come at a critical juncture. Measles cases are multiplying, causing experts to warn that a nationwide outbreak is possible.

    Six outbreaks are currently ongoing in the U.S., according to the CDC. Seventy-one people have been infected in Washington state, where an outbreak took hold this year in Clark County, an area across the Columbia River from Portland, Ore., that researchers call an anti-vaccination “hotspot” because of the high rate of nonmedical exemption from required vaccines.

    The virus has similarly been spreading globally. An unvaccinated French 5-year-old recently reintroduced the disease to Costa Rica, which had been free of measles for five years. An outbreak in an Orthodox Jewish community in New York began when an unvaccinated child returned home after acquiring the disease in Israel, where a major flare-up is occurring.

    The World Health Organization reported 72 deaths from measles in Europe last year. In 2015, a woman in Washington state died of pneumonia after contracting measles. It was the first U.S. death from the disease since 2003.

    Measles is highly contagious, remaining for as long as two hours in the air of a room where an infected person has been. While the illness often begins with cold-like symptoms and a rash, infected people may fall victim to additional complications, including pneumonia and, in more severe cases, inflammation of the brain known as encephalitis and even seizures.

    It is precisely the success of the measles vaccine – rendering these conditions rare, at least in the U.S. – that has enabled a small but fervent opposition movement to take root, Omer said.

    “It is in some sense a victim of its own success,” the Emory professor said of the vaccine, which became available in the U.S. in 1963. “It’s hard to see the benefit if you don’t see the disease.”

    Suzinne Pak-Gorstein, a pediatrician in Seattle and a professor at the University of Washington, said public awareness had grown since Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat who recently launched a bid for the presidency, declared a state of emergency in January. Still, she lamented that a crisis was necessary to jar residents into protecting themselves.

    “People forget that they should be worried, and then, here we go again,” she said. “I do blame our non-vaccinated population, which has been scared by unfounded links to autism, which have been shown to be false.”

    But almost a decade after the journal in which Wakefield published his findings, The Lancet, fully retracted his 1998 paper, following the conclusions of the medical panel, concerns about the safety of the two-dose course for measles have not disappeared.

    The public rebuke from the gatekeepers of his field did not silence him. To the contrary, it expanded Wakefield’s platform, as he turned the criticism into a catchphrase for his 2010 book, “Callous Disregard: Autism and Vaccines – The Truth Behind a Tragedy,” which is a bible of the anti-vaccination movement. A paperback reprint came out in 2017, and is No. 12 on Amazon in the category “Preventive Medicine” as of early Tuesday. Critics were outraged when Wakefield appeared at one of President Trump’s inaugural balls, shooting live video in which he mused about a “huge shake-up” at the CDC.

    The discredited link between the measles vaccine and autism “continues to cause concern and challenge vaccine acceptance,” the authors noted in their new paper, which is a follow-up to a similar study they conducted in 2002. Theirs are among numerous attempts to stamp out misinformation about the vaccine.

    That these efforts haven’t been successful suggests new methods are required, Omer said.

    “The question to my mind is should we continue to do more studies on this topic or is the uncertainty that is needed for having a researchable question gone at this point,” he said. “This new study isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.”

    A more promising approach, he said, lay in developing communication strategies and behavioral science interventions that could be deployed by clinicians. Requiring patients to opt out of vaccines, rather than expecting them to elect to get immunized, would increase protection. So, too, would what he called “presumptive communication,” in which clinicians frame immunization as an expectation, rather than an option.

    “So it would be, ‘Time for little Johnny to get vaccinated,’ instead of, ‘Should little Johnny get vaccinated?'” Omer said. “That sort of framing has an effect.”

    Despite the massive evidence, the anti-vaccination movement is gaining strength. Scientists are concerned measles could return even though it was ‘eliminated’ in the U.S. 20 years ago.(Luis Velarde/The Washington Post)
     
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  7. john316

    john316 Monkey+++

     
  8. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    The Washington Post is a suspect news source for me. TWP posts crap that MSNBC posts, it makes this article suspect for me. Perhaps the citations from TWP were lost in cut and paste but I did not see study citations. I saw an opinion piece by a suspect news agency.

    IF you read this article it has citations
    European Nations Send Open Letter to WHO Regarding Lack of Vaccine Safety Studies
    . Vaccines are administered to healthy individuals to prevent targeted infections, but their long-term impact on the immune system and their potential role in chronic disease is not being evaluated. Individual risk of poor outcomes to both infection and vaccination varies widely and mass vaccination without proper discrimination at the individual level has led to injuries, death and unintended consequences. Recently, independent researchers and laboratories have discovered that many vaccines are contaminated with retroviruses3 and polluted by nanoparticles 4. High levels of aluminium associated with vaccine adjuvants have been found in the brains of autistic children or in people suffering from neurological disorders such as Alzheimer’s disease.5, 6



    Vaccine Safety Commission: 50 Studies
     
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Best you go and do your Due Diligence, and actually LOOK at who this "Vaccine Safety Commission" is, who are their Vaccine Researchers ARE, and who sits on their Board.... Then come back and tel us ALL, about how they are an UNBIASED Source of Information about the Vaccines and Autism connection...
     
  10. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Definitely a conspiracy and not a theory.
     
  11. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I may have found out why I had at least 2 people around me that tested positive for late season flu A. The miserable h1n1 vaccine I got oh about 10 or 11 years ago maybe effective against this year's flu.
    But this year's flu vaccine is ineffective against late season flu.
     
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  12. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    This article was linked on Drudge this morning:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has confirmed 228 cases of measles in 12 states so far this year.
    The CDC has identified six outbreaks, which it defines as three or mores cases, in New York, Washington, Texas, Illinois and California.
    The cases are linked to unvaccinated American travelers bringing measles back into the U.S. from other countries where large measles outbreaks are occurring, such as Israel and Ukraine, the CDC says.
    CDC reports 228 measles cases in 12 states

    I thought it was interesting that they are blaming this on travelers not people coming across the Southern border.
     
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  13. Garand69

    Garand69 Monkey++

    How about this doosy… Kid nearly dies from tetanus, racks up a Million dollar hospital bill, parents still don't see the light..

    "Forty-four days after he was hospitalized, the boy was able to sip clear liquids. Six days later, he was able to walk a short distance with help. After another three weeks of inpatient rehabilitation and a month at home, he could ride a bike and run — a remarkable recovery, experts said.

    The child’s care — not including the air ambulance and inpatient rehabilitation — cost nearly $1 million, about 72 times the mean for a pediatric hospitalization in the U.S., the paper noted."

    CDC: Unvaccinated Oregon boy almost dies of tetanus
     
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  14. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Amazon pulls anti vacciner books from their offerings.

    Never got a tetanus shot almost die from tetanus.
    The only logical conclusion.
     
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  15. BenP

    BenP Monkey++

  16. IndieMama

    IndieMama Monkey+++

    LOL Okay
     
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  17. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I am a firm believer in tetnus shots. would have died without them
     
  18. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Bacterial "vaccines" are usually highly effective. The Tetanus one is as effective as your immune system.
     
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  19. runswithdogs

    runswithdogs Monkey+++

    Had a tetanus shot back when I was about 12. (Turns out putting a nail right through your foot in the chicken coop...not such a great idea)
    Told “Absolutely Never” get another due to the nasty reaction I had to the shot.

    Then again...I have a history of non standard reactions to medications /drugs so maybe not that suprising.
    Half the time there mostly ineffective and the other half I react badly
     
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  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Bad reactions is a very good reason to not get them.
     
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