Synthesizing anticonvulsants

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by Radishman, Oct 6, 2016.

  1. Radishman

    Radishman Monkey+

    I don't post here much because I'm always hoping SDNHTF. I take two separate anticonvulsants to stay functional. The amount of chaos this year politically is making me ask however:

    Is it possible to synthesize say, phenobarbital and phenytoin sodium with a minimal lab setup? Without knowing what these pharma companies use for raw materials to make these I'm at a bit of a loss.
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  2. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

    What you are inquiring about is not an easy thing.. The safest route would be to begin a course of study in chemistry or perhaps research on herbal substitutions.. Have a look at the resource section here on the monkey...
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  3. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Cooking up a prescription-only drug is not exactly the best thing to do. Not only because it is a controlled substance, but quality control is going to be an issue.
    Herbal substitution, as Dont mentioned, may be your best course of action.
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  4. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu RIP 4/19/2018

    Dude, most all of us hope for S not HTF! It's just a lot better to have some supplies, defenses, and as much knowledge as possible! Good luck with your medical issues! :)
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  5. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    The Top 7 Natural Remedies for Epilepsy | NaturalAlternativeRemedy

    1) False Pepper
    False pepper is a vine with tiny flowers that are yellow-green in color, and they are typically found throughout India. Alternative medicine makes use of the bark, leaves and fresh fruit to handle a variety of problems. These problems include parasites, rheumatism, stomach difficulties, skin diseases, tumors, psychological problems, and convulsions. The active component in the plant is embelin, and it has antifertility, anti-inflammatory, antitumor and anti-oxidant properties. Embelin is a member of a chemical class called benzoquinone, and derivatives of quinone have anticonvulsant properties.

    2) Bo Tree
    The bo tree is a big fig tree that usually grows in the southern parts of Asia. The tree is holy to Buddhists, and can be used ritually and medicinally. Throughout history, distinct Ficus species all over the world have been utilized to treat epilepsy. Research seen in the June 2009 issue of the Journal of Ethnopharmacology said that the Bo tree’s figs comprise the greatest number of serotonin when compared to all other figs from any kind of Ficus. The research discovered that it was able to significantly inhibit seizures by growing the amount of serotonin that nerve cells transmit.

    3) Violet Tree
    The violet tree is a little tree with fragrant purple flowers indigenous to the more tropical parts of Africa. Alternative medicine practitioners use the roots to handle a variety of physical and psychological problems such as discomfort, irritation, nervousness, headache and epilepsy. In the May 2010 issue of the Journal of Ethnopharmacology, there was research that compared the extract of the root of the violet tree to phenobarbitone, which is an anti-convulsant drug. This research confirmed the conventional usage of the violet tree as one a natural treatment for epilepsy. More studies are necessary to support these results.

    4) Kava
    Kava might have a sedative effect, and thus might be advantageous for individuals with epilepsy, says theUniversity of Maryland Medical Center. Additionally, articles printed in Epilepsy and Behaviour’s December 2001 issue says that kava may actually heighten the results of anti-epilepsy medications. Kava is sometimes linked with severe unwanted effects, though, including liver and hepatitis failure. It has also been noted that this herb might trigger unusual muscle spasms. It might also interact with other medicines, such as Parkinson’s disease medications. Don’t start to take kava without first speaking with your primary health care provider.

    5) Valerian
    Valerian is yet another herb that should be considered in one’s search for natural remedies for epilepsy since it might have anti-convulsive effects. Articles printed in Epilepsia’s November 2004 issue also recognizes valerian’s anti-convulsive effects but provides that its uncertain chemical structure indicates that common use might be unsuitable. Using valerian in the short term is probably safe, notes MedlinePlus. Nevertheless, it might cause such unwanted effects as headache, uneasiness and sleeplessness. This herb has the possibility of interacting with numerous medications, and as such you should ask your physician whether it’s safe for you to utilize valerian.

    6) Magnesium
    Magnesium is a critical element of helping people with epilepsy, and several think that a magnesium deficiency is the main trigger of epileptic seizures in certain individuals. Many individuals decide to supplement with magnesium by making use of magnesium sulphate. Some businesses focus on selling entirely pure ‘food grade’ Epsom salt, which contains magnesium sulphate. We can’t attest to the quality and truthfulness of these businesses, though. The best amount to take is about a tsp every morning, should you decide to use Epsom salt.

    Otherwise, you can buy magnesium supplements at wellness food shops, or improve your nutritional consumption through almonds, cashews, and spinach. Studies have confirmed the link between epilepsy and magnesium deficiency. Excessive amounts of magnesium from supplements can cause other vital minerals to flush from your body, paradoxically creating more dietary deficiencies. Therefore, the wisest strategy should be to repair the issues with one’s diet.

    7) Passionflower
    The herb called passionflower might help avoid seizures, notes the UMMC (University of Maryland Medical Center). However, MedlinePlus notes that that there currently isn’t enough proof to demonstrate this. Passionflower is occasionally mixed with other relaxing herbs including valerian and is probably safe if employed medicinally for short amounts of time. However, side effects can include confusion, dizziness and drowsiness. If you’re pregnant don’t take this herb. Passionflower will likely also interact with medications and decrease their usefulness, so speak to a healthcare professional before making use of it.
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  6. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    What? What is SDNHTF?

    phenobarbital<<<< Isn't that what killed Michael Jackson?
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    It Does Not hit -- (Had to suss that out from context, hadn't seen it before --)
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  8. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Nope, those two are NOT the same thing.... Two totally different Drugs... Propofol is an Anastetic... and Diprivan is a antipsycotic...
  10. Flight-ER-Doc

    Flight-ER-Doc Monkey+

    Which is why amateur pharmacologists kill lots of people today, and will kill more should TSHTF.

    If someone requires an anticonvulsant for a chronic condition, they should stockpile it. If someone needs it acutely, trained medical personnel should have some and administer it. Otherwise, more folks will die or discover they don't need it.
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  11. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    If you are unwilling to learn how to properly make your own, and know what your doing, then it's better than nothing to stock pile the professionally made product , but you will only last as long as your stock pile can provide.
  12. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Might double check, Bruce :)
    Propofol (marketed as Diprivan and as generic products) Information

    With any drugs or regimen however, due diligence is key to successful treatment. Know what you are taking, why , and what to expect from it.
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    S is always HTF some where in the world.
    Some places more often than others it's only a matter of time before it comes back around again.
    It's only a matter of when, how bad and for how long.
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