Tenn.bill joins tex and Montanna

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Tango3, May 6, 2009.


  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  2. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I thought we as American were way too apathetic to actually stand up for a cause, but the Tea Parties and actions by the state governments have made me think that should the senate ratify the treaty that Osama signed in Mexico, it could be a big primer................OSB I for one am tired of this $hit and I am not going to take it anymore.

    You want them Molon Labe................

    Come and take them you bastards, the Texas ANG will be meeting you at the border.
     
  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Many of us have been pushing for this type of response to the professional politicians that have taken over our government for years now and only recently have we begun to see results. Many of our Southern and Western States are still controlled by the people that live and work there. LA has the crappiest highways in the nation because they would not bend over for big brother by raising their drinking age so big brother with-held the funds to improve their highways. States rights are where we have to begin to take back what was stolen from us. Get involved!
     
  4. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Hmmmmm...
    I am wondering "IF" this passes in the state/s that are actually "involved" in protecting OUR 2nd amendment rights...
    Then will the individual "State", be the "sole" licensing agency for the manufacture of firearms, in each, (say, that particular), state?
    I see this could be a good thing, with a small exception:
    Being licensed and taxed by the individual State/s, which do this, it could get really expensive in the end. (politicians luv dem funds!)
    Boy, this Could really PO the feds to NO end!
    Hmmmmm....Ok, that works for me!
     
  5. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    In case you missed it in the other thread, here is the list of current states with similar bills under consideration.
    Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Washington have introduced or passed Resolutions to assert their reserved respective rights guaranteed them by the Bill of Rights contained within the United States Constitution.
     
  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Aww... I won't really mind them disarming me......

    Cause it'll mean I am already dead, with a lot of them going to Judgement with me..... [freedom]

    Mighty glad to see Sunny Florida on that list. Thought we were already over run with UberLibs.
     
  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Alan Korwin's Page Nine had a report on this




    5- Tenth Amendment Smokescreen
    The lamestream media told you:
    Several states have passed resolutions demanding Tenth Amendment rights.

    The Uninvited Ombudsman notes however that:
    Several states have sanctimoniously passed resolutions that are worthless trash demanding nothing designed to placate a half-asleep public. They mean nothing, have no effect in law, the spineless "servants" who introduce them know this, and act just so they can say, Oh what a good boy am I. Let one, just one, introduce such a bill with backbone and teeth, that truly repulses federal government intrusions and attacks on the 10th Amendment, and I'll change my tune.

    I guess that would be Montana, which has enacted a 10th-Amendment-based statute called the Montana Firearms Freedom Act. A nice rumor sheet about the bill has blazed across the web. My first hand details on the bill are posted below.

    You should personally take up this cause, and ask your reps why they didn't actually stand up to stop the abuses and usurpations before now. Ask if they know their "joint resolutions" bills do nothing actual (they know this of course, so see what they tell you, it can be revealing). Ask if they would stand up to stop a single federal abuse -- like Montana is doing.
    Or just coast along and be happy they passed those non binding feckless balderdash that makes you feel good provided you don't look at it too hard.

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    "The Montana Firearms Freedom Act" HB246
    "The Montana Firearms Freedom Act" HB246
    "The Montana Firearms Freedom Act" HB246

    Montana's new gun law kicks feds in the gut
    Montana's new gun law kicks feds in the gut

    In a nutshell: "Any gun made and kept in Montana is free of federal gun regulation."

    People have been writing asking me if this is real -- it is. It is important enough to dedicate this entire Page Nine. Well, I've included some other juicy items too.


    I have followed the development of this law since the outset, I am friendly with its instigator Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Assoc. http://www.mtssa.org (and we sell Gary's Montana gun-law book, which will be re-released in several weeks, updated and with the new law included). I was honored to coax and coach Gary into writing that book, now in its third edition http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm
    Gary dreamed up the concept of the Montana gun-freedom bill, drafted the language himself ("that's why it's in plain English, I'm not a lawyer," he said) and guided it through his legislature to a 29 to 21 win in the Senate, and a stunning 85 to 14 romp in the House. It is a fabulous law. Imagine what it could do for economics in the state, wait, don't imagine, check this out -- Texas just introduced it too, where it could benefit more than 300 state-based manufacturers. It will, "invite new industry into Texas," according to its sponsor there, LEO Berman.

    That's not all. Tennessee has introduced it as well. Alaska moved it through the Senate 32 to 7 but adjourned before the House could act. States actively considering it include Arizona, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, Utah, Washington and Wyoming. While some people got excited about virtually worthless feckless non-binding resolutions demanding 10th Amendment protection from federal abuse, this new law puts teeth into the demand.

    This is a perfect point of pushback against illegal federal encroachment and violation of our constitutional rights. You should pick this up where you are, like we are here in Arizona, get someone in your state to make the small changes needed to match the language to your state, and run with it.

    If the federales have their way, reaction would likely be directed against the first manufacturer to operate under the law. Feds will obtain a firearm produced in Montana, probably from a small shop without big time resources to fight the feds, and the person will be arrested, property confiscated, and charges filed with all sorts of laws that do not apply except in the feds imagination.

    But then of course they run the courts that will convict the person, and the courts, if precedent is any gauge, will deny constitutional defenses and work vigorously to do the bidding of their federal masters. It will be a 9th and 10th Amendment case, and a Commerce Clause case, and a Supremacy Clause case, not a Second Amendment case.

    However, the feds are unlikely to get their way so easily. We freedom types are pretty clever too, and little of this will happen without a plan. First, an effort is underway to find and temper any wildcat basement tool shop operators who ignorantly blast ahead making guns thinking they are immune to the federal hand. That will be good for the wildcats and for the proper movement of this important law.

    A test case will be developed, Gary says, most likely with a carefully designed bolt-action .22 caliber youth rifle. The wood stock will come from a Montana grown tree. Standard steel-supplier stock will turn into the basic barrel and parts, and the statute makes clear that interstate regulation (if any) of raw stock does not apply to the stock once it is in state and used strictly for intrastate purposes (a point the courts will examine).

    The people involved will have squeaky-clean records, including a Marine, tool makers with no FFL license to complicate things, and a youngster whose parents seek to get him the firearm. Clearance to make it will be sought from the proper authorities ahead of time. If it is granted (don't hold your breath) the deal is done. If it is not granted (a pretty sure bet), the parties will have grounds to sue in civil (not criminal) court. It's pretty complicated, but it's well thought out.

    In a conference call between Marbut and six top-level attorneys, it became obvious that the legal fight is an uphill battle, because the feds run the courts. To date, the federal judicial system has treated the 10th Amendment as a dead letter, and this from an attorney who has fought such cases from the lowest ranks to the Supreme Court itself. If the federal government wants something, it doesn't let a little thing like the Bill of Rights stand in its way. I know, it's infuriating, but that's the way it is.

    Now there's a political dimension to this as well. All the states are being abused and denied their rights under the 10th Amendment. The public is outraged at the lack of control on the federal behemoth. It's time for something to give.

    The Associated Press and USA Today have picked up on it, and FOX-TV's Glenn Beck is negotiating to get Marbut on the show.

    As more and more states get on the case, the pressure builds, and the ability of the system to resist a straightforward and righteous demand weakens. The Montana Firearms Freedom Act can be the straw that breaks the federal back. Once 10th Amendment hegemony is re-established, the floodgates of freedom are open.

    The feds and their lapdog lackies in the lamestream media are likely to refer to this action as an attempt at "illicit manufacture and trafficking in firearms," the words in the CIFTA treaty http://www.gunlaws.com/GunLawUpdate5-CIFTA.htm. The feds would love to raid a compound (an innocent owner's small tool shop), confiscate an arsenal (more than one firearm and some parts), and sick their legal dogs on the poor soul. They're not going to get such an easy shot. As many as five coordinated cases will be structured.

    My time has been consumed lately with a family medical issue, the bill below does a good job of describing what Montana has accomplished, and because it's in plain English, something I've always said can and should be done, it's readable. Take some time. Read it, you'll love it.

    Alan's Executive Summary
    The bill opens with the state's "Declarations of Authority." This basically asserts Montana's rights under the U.S. Constitution, Montana's contract upon entering the union, and principles of federalism. Very juicy and enjoyable.

    An easy-to-read set of definitions is followed by the core legal principle: "A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce."

    One legal landmine exists in the fact that firearms are regulated not only under the Commerce Clause, they are controlled by tax laws, and the outcome of that quagmire is uncertain.

    The legal protections are piled higher with this and similar wordings: "It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority..."

    To prevent side issues from interfering, full auto and large bore devices are excluded from this bill. Guns made under this law must be stamped "Made in Montana" and man oh man won't that be a thing of pride.
    The bill is easy reading, you should do it, then make sure your legislature gets on it.

    HOUSE BILL NO. 246
    INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON
    An act exempting from federal regulation under the commerce clause of the Constitution of the United States a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured and retained in Montana; and providing an applicability date.

    BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:
    Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".

    Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:
    (1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
    (2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
    (3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.
    (4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
    (5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of Montana, and the right exists, as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
    Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following definitions apply:
    (1) "Borders of Montana" means the boundaries of Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.
    (2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.
    (3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.
    (4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.
    Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana.
    Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
    (1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
    (2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;
    (3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
    (4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.
    Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in Montana" clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.
    Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].
    Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section 3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009.
     
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