The Fed

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Brokor, Nov 19, 2005.


  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Found the Audio lecture that goes with "The Creature from Jeckyl Island", by Griffin. 1 hour and 29 minutes long and 10 MB download. I've read the book but not ever heard this version.

    http://www.futuresunltd.com/media/creature.mp3

    It actually seems to just "stream" for me. fast
     
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I was looking for another stream for this but I can't find one. This link is gonzo. Anybody with supreme search capabilities able to find it? I found the video presentation, but not the audio.
    YouTube - ‪The Creature From Jekyll Island (by G. Edward Griffin)‬‏
     
  3. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member


    Hehehe...... that's why we all drive Bentleys and ride Motoguzzis...... oh wait.....

    Hey, I got cheated!!!!


    [fnny]
     
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The Secret of Oz



    I think it's time to share this video again. This documentary will walk you through some of the history of the United States and banking, and give you an idea about all the facts surrounding private banking and its dangers.
     
  5. Dogfood

    Dogfood Monkey++

    The 16th Amendment was never Ratified and no law was passed to require a person to pay income tax. If you think there is then look it up and post it here.
     
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  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    There may well be no law requiring a citizen to pay income tax, but I'd rather not face the penalties for not doing so. Right or just, those penalties are real, and more than slightly expensive to fight. I'd be more than a little interested if there are any actions at law on record that ever relieved a tax payer from paying based on non-existant law. (There are bound to be some negotiated settlements, but no complete reversal of a tax bill.)
     
  7. Dogfood

    Dogfood Monkey++

    Some people have been able to win in court on this fact there is no law. I just pay it in this life you have to pick your battles and I'm not fighting this one. The 100 bankers became members of the FED for a cost of $100 each talk about a good investment. There is a reward for anyone that can show the law saying you to pay income tax it was at $180,000 last time I seen it.
     
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    If I could find cases setting precedents, I'd have to think a bit, but could be convinced to test this out. As it is, like you, I just pay it to avoid a hassle. If anyone can find those winning cases for study, I'd sure like to see them.

    Can you imagine the effects of nullifying? (Bear in mind that the USA's finances are fragile right now, and paying back illegally collected revenues would have, ah, amazing consequences.) o_O
     
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  9. Dogfood

    Dogfood Monkey++

    They are out there a lot of them are x IRS agents my understanding is they won by Jury nullification. If you understand how the court should work the Jury can do whatever they think is fair but for the most part now the Judge tells about the laws and how they need to vote based on the facts and how they apply to the law. In other words it's rigged. I see stuff in the court room that will make your head spin. The Judge has a lot of power in his court room I make sure to stay on their good side.
     
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Passing strange to me how nullifying a non existent law might work. That's a different question, however. My reference to nullification in #28 was incorrect, intended to convey a misappropriation of citizen's wealth. Ah, well, still going to pay this year.
     
  11. Dogfood

    Dogfood Monkey++

    I'm going to pay every year. I don't look good in strips. I also don't want to change my name to 263185
     
  12. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant


    I think this was the best explanation I have ever read on what is wrong with the United States. Well said Sir. I concur.
     
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  13. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Working Monkey Founding Member

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  14. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Working Monkey Founding Member

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  15. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Working Monkey Founding Member

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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Ghrit does have a point. In my early years researching this information, long before Irwin Schiff and many others took a stand against the FED and the IRS, about the time of Lynne Meredith's books, "A Vulture in Eagle's Clothing" arrived, I was seriously considering NOT paying taxes and just dropping out of the system. Unfortunately, I ended up learning that I couldn't successfully do this entirely unless I also gave up most modern ways of living, to include a driver's license, vehicle registration, a social security number, any implied benefits, any credit cards (easy enough), and even a bank account and ATM card. Basically, I would have to resort to living off-grid, not fill out a W2 to get a job, resort to getting paid under the table by an employer who wouldn't mind, not drive a vehicle and not "own" property. This is the ONLY way to 100% ensure I will be covered...and even then, I was faced with one, final reality: the IRS operates as legalized mafia.

    The best website I can offer people is FREEDOM ABOVE FORTUNE. Mr. Joseph Banister knows what he's talking about. He's an ex-IRS field agent, and he does not lie about the realities of the system.
     
  17. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Ill be the one to push the limit on conspiracy theory regarding The Federal Reserve. I also did lots of research on several other groups. The Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg group and several others. During those years of digging for the truth I came up with several very interesting facts regarding the Federal reserve and people who have attempted to end it. Ill just mention one for now. John F. Kennedy prior to his death in a speech in front of congress stated he was going to attempt to end the Federal reserve and return the coining of money to the congress. It was not long after this that he was shot and killed. Now for some interesting facts and players who were involved but never mentioned or talked about. At the time of Kennedy's presidency George Bush SR. was the head of the CIA. HMMMM?? Prescott Bush ( George's father) was a member of an investment bank connected to the Fed. The Bush Family fortune started in Banking spreading into oil. If Kennedy ended the FED how would that have effected the Bush family and all their banker pals in world finance. I also see where Bush muscled Reagan into taking him as his vice president. Reagan spoke out against the Trilateral commission before he was nominated then never voiced another word about it after he took Bush as his running mate. Why is it The Bush Family has been somehow involved in almost every major direction change this country has made in the last several decades? I find a lot of similar directives from both Bush and Clinton in regards to Central banks and world trade. It seems to me the two are hand in hand with these Banks financing the move of industrial base from the U.S. to many other countries. It is really a Global thing today. My thoughts are this. We lost our sovereignty as an independent nation somewhere along the line after 1913. The trend has been to globalize everything from finance to cultures. Some call it the new world order. KF
     
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  18. Dogfood

    Dogfood Monkey++

    I guess you have to ask yourself would so many people sell you out for just power and money?
     
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Yes. Therein lays the entire story as I read it.
     
  20. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    What I see is motive, opportunity and the means to carry out Kennedy's execution. Ending the Fed would be catastrophic to world banking cartels. I would think they have the means to protect their interests far and above anything us mere peasants can Imagine. I voted for both Bush Presidents because I was a Republican back then. But today I have to look all the back to Early Reagan/Goldwater before I get to true conservatives. I believe the Bush Family is at least partly to blame for the destruction of the Republican party.

    Im not a fan of Alex Jones but in his movie the Obama deception one of his guests in that movie talked about how Kennedy was not the puppet the establishment thought he was going to be. Can you Imagine the Horror that went through the minds of world finance when he stated he was going to end the FED. Several weeks later he was dead and no one continued that plan. Not another presidential candidate touched the subject until Ron PAUL Took the fight as a representative to the FED itself. Bernanke warned we would have civil unrest if the Fed were to be audited. Why? What would they uncover that would cause a country to come apart at the seams? Once again they skirted the issue and it has been swept under the rug. I wonder how much money is actually missing?

    But yes Kennedy was going to end the Fed. Then he was killed and his Idea went with him. The bankers had motive, People like Bush sr. had opportunity and the means to carry it out. Add in Mob ties as a distraction or diversion and you have one conspiracy covering up another. The perfect Dialectic. Hegel would be proud.
     
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