the grass is gettin greener on Hillarys side

Discussion in 'Politics' started by beast, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    Hillary Told You So

    <cite class="byline vcard">By Leslie Bennetts | The Daily Beast – <abbr title="2011-08-08T00:58:00Z">Sun, Aug 7, 2011</abbr></cite>

    At a New York political event last week, Republican and Democratic office-holders were all bemoaning President Obama’s handling of the debt-ceiling crisis when someone said, “Hillary would have been a better president.”
    “Every single person nodded, including the Republicans,” reported one observer.
    At a luncheon in the members’ dining room at the Metropolitan Museum of Art on Saturday, a 64-year-old African-American from the Bronx was complaining about Obama’s ineffectiveness in dealing with the implacable hostility of congressional Republicans when an 80-year-old lawyer chimed in about the president’s unwillingness to stand up to his opponents. “I want to see blood on the floor,” she said grimly.
    A 61-year-old white woman at the table nodded. “He never understood about the ‘vast right-wing conspiracy,’” she said.
    Looking as if she were about to cry, an 83-year-old Obama supporter shook her head. “I’m so disappointed in him,” she said. “It’s true: Hillary is tougher.”
    During the last few days, the whispers have swelled to an angry chorus of frustration about Obama’s perceived weaknesses. Many Democrats are furious and heartbroken at how ineffectual he seemed in dealing with Republican opponents over the debt ceiling, and liberals are particularly incensed by what they see as his capitulation to conservatives on fundamental liberal principles.
    In Connecticut, a businessman who raised money for Obama in 2008 said, “I’m beyond disgusted.” In New Jersey, a teacher reported that even her friends in the Obama administration are grievously disillusioned with his lack of leadership—and many have begun to whisper about a Democratic challenge for the 2012 presidential nomination. “I think people are furtively hoping that Hillary runs,” she said.
    The son of a longtime Democratic congressman from Texas, a 73-year-old lawyer, is so enraged with Obama that he’s threatening not to vote for the 2012 Democratic ticket—the first time in his entire life that he’s contemplated such apostasy.
    Among many of the 18 million Americans who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008, the reaction is simple and bitter: “We told you so.”
    On Real Time With Bill Maher, the host said that as far as he was concerned, Obama might as well be a Republican, and added that he thought last week represented the tipping point in Obama’s presidency. Wondering if liberals have “buyer’s remorse” about Obama, Maher asked his panel whether Clinton would have been a better president.
    “Yes,” replied astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium, adding that Clinton would have been “a more effective negotiator in the halls of Congress.”
    “She knows how to deal with difficult men,” Maher agreed.
    In recent days, political conversations from inside the Beltway to office water coolers all over America have abounded with unflattering comparisons between Obama and President Lyndon Baines Johnson, a Capitol Hill veteran who was a master of knocking heads to get things done. A Texas Democrat, Johnson served as a representative, a senator, the Senate minority leader, the Senate majority whip, and vice president before becoming president when John F. Kennedy was assassinated. “Unlike Obama, he knew how to work the system,” said one political reporter.
    In his New York Times Sunday Review essay “What Happened to Obama?” Emory University psychology professor Drew Westen summed up the president’s lack of experience with devastating succinctness.
    “Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president, having never run a business or a state; that he had a singularly unremarkable career as a law professor, publishing nothing in 12 years at the University of Chicago other than an autobiography; and that, before joining the United States Senate, he occasionally, as a state senator in Illinois, voted ‘present’ on difficult issues,” wrote Westen, author of The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation.
    The presidential scholar Matthew Dickinson went even further with a post under the headline “Run, Hillary, Run!” on the blog Presidential Power. “She did warn you,” Dickinson reminded his readers.
    “Remember that 3 a.m. phone call? Remember the warning about the rose-colored petals falling from the sky? Remember about learning on the job? Sure you do. Doesn’t a part of you, deep down, realize she was right?” wrote Dickinson, a political-science professor at Middlebury College. “If I heard it once this last week, I heard it a thousand times: You were duped by Obama’s rhetoric—the whole ‘hopey-changey’ thing. And you wanted to be part of history, too—to help break down the ultimate racial barrier. That’s OK. We were all young once. But now it’s time to elect someone who can play hardball, who understands how to be ruthless, who will be a real ... uh ... tough negotiator in office. There won’t be any debate about Hillary’s, er, ‘man-package.’”
    Among Clinton fans, particularly older women, the language was frequently far more caustic. “Obama has no spine and no balls,” said a 67-year-old New Yorker.
    Other observers contrasted the president’s declining popularity with Clinton’s widely acclaimed performance as secretary of State. “To be blunt, her resume outshines the incumbent’s,” wrote Dickinson, noting that Clinton’s approval rating is close to 70 percent while Obama’s is around 40 percent.
    Such polls notwithstanding, insiders insist that Clinton will not challenge her president for the 2012 nomination, and many pundits dismiss the idea as political suicide. “A challenge from Clinton would be a complete disaster, both for her and for the Democrats,” wrote Jon Bernstein on the Plain Blog political site.
    Political experts point out that Republicans’ hatred of the Clintons in the 1990s was just as virulent as their efforts to destroy Obama’s presidency in the last couple of years. Longtime analysts also remember the carnage that ensued when Sen. Ted Kennedy challenged President Carter for the 1980 Democratic nomination, fracturing the party and paving the way for Ronald Reagan’s election. Four years earlier, Reagan himself had challenged an incumbent Republican, President Gerald Ford; Reagan lost the nomination, Ford lost the presidency, and Carter was elected.
    However unlikely a Democratic challenger might seem at present, Obama would be foolish not to heed the deep dissatisfaction represented by such speculation, which is now spreading like an ominous brush fire. Given the abundance of devastating economic news lately, he would also do well to remember the Clintons’ rallying cry from the 1992 election.
    “There’s no question in my mind that Obama is a one-term president,” says one passionate Democrat. “Even if he were a great president, this economy is a calamity. And in the end, ‘It’s the economy, stupid.’”
    “No one ever had to tell Hillary that,” says a disgruntled member of Clinton’s 18 million.
  2. LogOut

    LogOut Monkey+

    Personally I'd rather have Oblabla for a second term than that Socalist (rymes with witch). Let BO collapse they system rather than have Billary confiscate all personal property.
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  3. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    0bama is a failed president and everyone knows it even the democrats.

    As we cannot afford another four of 0bama-nomics, 0bama-economy and 0bama's totally irresponsible fiscal policies of borrow and spend. So, I'm an AB0 voter or anyone but 0bama for president.

    Congress, the Senate, etc could be a different story.
  4. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    Hillary is part of the reason we got the idot we have which I didn't support her any way, but when she dropped out and told her people to support O-Dumbazzz. It led to the what we have now thank you Hillary for helping prove my theory that an educated person can be an idot. I wonder if I could get Federal funds to help me continue working on my scientific research. I know it's not bugs humping but it has a base to improve life by gathering information we could pick what politican's to sterilize. Stop the blood line save the next generation.
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  5. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Educated Idiots was a term my dear old dad used often...and he's
    been dead since 86...
    He knew what he was talking about back then..Some things never change...
  6. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    All the education in the world can't replace an ounce of common sense. Which our goverment lacks altogether What we need in the white house is a man that still wears jeans and workboots not $500.00 suits. The type of person that has lived a common life and you can look at his face and eyes and see he's not scared to dig a ditch or change his own oil. When he has free time he plays with his kids in the dirt not just for the news crews. My granddad worked his life away for 40 cents a day in a WV coal mine was an MP in 707th militay police unit during WWII. He always told me you can tell a man by his hand shake if its not firm and the mans hands are not rough with calluses from work you can't trust him and he's no good. Over the years I found that my granddad knew exactly what he was talking about. He also said its better to act a fool and be smart than to be a fool and act smart. I also learned what he was talking about with that later in life as well.
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  7. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    A fitting end of a failed president would be if 0bama fails to get re-nominated.
  8. LogOut

    LogOut Monkey+

    IIRC the Dem-O-Rats already stated he's running despite the fact he hasn't publicly said so.

    I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    He's started fund raising, he's narcissistic, there are still those that believe. Yep, he's running. The more interesting question is who the dips**tocrats might field against him that could avoid a Chicago style end to the campaign.
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