The Greatest Story Never Told

Discussion in 'Faith and Religion' started by Minuteman, Dec 25, 2008.


  1. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Millions of people around the world celebrate this time of year and reflect back on the birth of a child in a far away land 2000 years ago. You would be hard pressed to find someone, no matter thier belief system, or lack of, that has not heard the story.

    But, there aren't many who know "the rest of the story". As a believer and a pastor I have studied the story in depth and it is in the little known details that I find the most comfort, the most inspiration. The awe inspiring evidence of our creators hand in every detail.

    We know the story. There was no room at the inn. The holy family had to search out a place to stay and all that was available was a small grotto in the little town of Bethlehem used to house animals.

    But do you know what this little insignificant town was known for? Why Bethlehem? Bethlehem is even today a small town about 5 miles down the road from Jerusalem. The Isrealites were commanded to come three times each year from all over the nation to observe the Holy Feast Days. During this time they were required to offer live animal sacrifices. The sacrificial lamb had to be absolutely spotless. They had to be examined by a priest or a judge and ruled to be spotless. Any devotee traveling from the corners of the nation could not take the chance that a sacrifice brought with them on the long trek would arrive spotless and without blemish.

    So a thriving business grew up to provide these pilgrims with a perfect sacrifice when they arrived. Tens of thousands of sheep were raised and were available in the markets for purchase. The center of this thriving enterprise was the small hamlet just down the road from Jerusalem, Bethlehem!

    Yes, for hundreds of years before the birth of that child, the city that he was born in was known as the place where the sacrificial lambs, used to take away the peoples sins, were born and came from!

    Jump ahead 33 1/2 years. The child is grown into a man and is about to fulfill the purpose he was born for. The man born in Bethlehem has been judged by Herod and Pilate and found to be spotless, "without sin". He is sacrificed and his body sealed in a tomb. 3 days later he rose again to be the savior of the world. The women who discovered the empty tomb that morning reported that the linen cloth used to cover his face was neatly folded and laid upon the cleft in the rock hewn tomb.

    But did you know...

    In the ancient world with primitive medical knowlege it was not uncommon for a person to be pronounced dead when in fact they were actually in a deep coma. So in Roman law it was required that for a person to be officailly declared deceased they had to entombed for,you guessed it 3 days. A person can only live without water for about 3 days. So a person sealed in a tomb, if not dead when put in, would certainly be dead after the 3 days, and only then could they be officially certified to be actually deceased. Christ fulfilled this requirement.

    Also it is interesting to read that when informed that his good friend Lazuras was dying and asked to come heal him he waited. Then as Lazurus lay in his tomb he still waited. It was only upon the 4th day after Lazurus was entombed that Christ finally came and "called him forth". This is why Lazurus's relatives and friends were incredulus when told by Christ that Lazurus was not dead, only asleep. They knew that the period had elapsed and that there was no possible way that someone could merely be asleep.

    The linen cloth was folded neatly and laid upon the cleft. Why did the women and the recorders of scripture feel the need to report this seemingly insignificant fact?

    Linen napkins were a very expensive item in ancient Isreal. You only brought them out for important guests. If you were a guest in an Isrealite home during this time you would be given a napkin to use during your meal. It was good manners to lay this valuable accessory carefully upon the table when you rose after the meal. But, if you really wanted to pay your host a compliment, beyond simple good manners. You would neatly fold your napkin and place it upon the place you had been sitting. This signified that "I enjoyed your hospitality and I will return again." You were in fact saying "save my place, I'll be back."

    Now you know the rest of the story. I hope all enjoy your time with family and friends. I hope that believers will remember the source of our strength and hope. I won't wish anyone a "Merry Christmas" as I don't celebrate this pagan ritual but that is another topic. But I do respect the oppurtunity to focus people upon the "reason for the season".

    May Yahweh's grace and peace be upon you all.

    Even my athiest and pagan friends!
     
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  2. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Now that's awesome, I'm glad I took the time to stop and read this!
    Thank You!
    Bill
     
  3. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    +1 :)merry xmas and a safe and prosperous new year to all monkey cage dwellers and even to the free-range monkeys out there...
     
  4. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    [angel]
    Thank you for sharing!
     
  5. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    And thus such research, knowledge and understanding of the true meaning of the scriptures being one of the greatest reasons I hold you in a place of respect above most other pastors, I hope you will not be offended by this pagan friend wishing you a joyous Yule and in a secular sense a wonderful New Year.
     
  6. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Not at all my friend!! I look forward to the day we can get together FTF and have some great conversations.
     
  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Many have liked my "rest of the story" segments so I thought on this day when millions worldwide recognize the sacrifice and resurrection of our Lord and Savior, a story that is well known by believers and non believers alike that I would add a little "rest-of-the-story" details that you may not know.

    The day that our Lord was sacrificed is one of the most well known stories in scripture. Yet there are so many facets to it that most people have never heard. The details, and the hidden meanings, for me anyway, demonstrate the awesome power of God. His hand can be seen in all things. When we see how he controls even the minute details we get an impression of just what omnipresent and omnipotent actually means.

    By seeing the hand of God in every detail of Christ’s life, and death, only goes to prove that he was who and what he claimed to be. No ordinary person could have fulfilled every prophecy, had every detail of their lives evidence the influence of Almighty God if they were not the son of God.
    I think you will see what I mean as we go along.

    But before we can go to the day he died we have to first look at the day and place he was born.

    We know the story. There was no room at the inn. The holy family had to search out a place to stay and all that was available was a small grotto in the little town of Bethlehem used to house animals.

    But do you know what this little insignificant town was known for? Why Bethlehem? Bethlehem is even today a small town about 5 miles down the road from Jerusalem. The Israelites were commanded to come three times each year from all over the nation to observe the Holy Feast Days. During this time they were required to offer live animal sacrifices. The sacrificial lamb had to be absolutely spotless. They had to be examined by a priest or a judge and ruled to be spotless. Any devotee traveling from the corners of the nation could not take the chance that a sacrifice brought with them on the long trek would arrive spotless and without blemish.

    So a thriving business grew up to provide these pilgrims with a perfect sacrifice when they arrived. Tens of thousands of sheep were raised and were available in the markets for purchase. The center of this thriving enterprise was the small hamlet just down the road from Jerusalem, Bethlehem!

    Yes, for hundreds of years before the birth of that child, the city that he was born in was known as the place where the sacrificial lambs, used to take away the peoples sins, were born and came from!

    Jump ahead 33 1/2 years. The child is grown into a man and is about to fulfill the purpose he was born for. The man born in Bethlehem has been judged by Herod and Pilate and found to be spotless, "without sin".

    A sacrificial lamb had to be brought before the priests and inspected. Then the priests would render a judgment as to whether the sacrifice was pure, without blemish, thus eligible for sacrifice.

    One mistake that has been made throughout the years is the day that Christ died. Scripture tells us that the soldiers broke the legs of the condemned to hasten their death.

    The Sabbath was approaching at sunset and the Hebrew laws forbade anyone to touch a dead body on the Sabbath. When they went to break the legs of Christ they found that he had already died. Thus fulfilling the prophecy that no bones of his would be broken.


    Why is that important? The sacrificial lamb that is offered up at Passover for remission of sins was taken home and eaten by the family, but Mosaic Law specifies that none of it’s bones are to be broken.

    The error in timing comes in as a result of the early leaders of the Roman Church attempts to disassociate them from anything "Jewish". The council of Nicea changed the Sabbath from the Israelite Saturday to Sunday; also they changed the reckoning of a day from the traditional sunset to sunset to midnight to midnight.

    Due to their aversion to anything "Jewish" they failed to realize that in Hebraic law each of the 7 annual Holy Feast Days were considered a Sabbath day. So if a feast day fell during the week you would have two Sabbaths that week.

    Looking back to the year Christ died we find that the Passover Feast, considered by Israelites a Holy Sabbath day, fell on a Thursday that year. But when the priests of the Roman church read that the disciples asked for his body to be removed from the cross before the Sabbath began at sunset, they assumed it was the weekly Saturday Sabbath.

    Thus we have the Good Friday myth. But wait, scripture says that he lay in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. Friday evening to Sunday morning is only 1 ½ days!

    There are some really humorous attempts to explain this away. Many Biblical scholars not willing to admit this long held fallacy claim that it was one night (Friday night), one day (Saturday day), and one more night (Saturday night), so that makes 3.

    But the rest of the story is that the Passover, an extra Sabbath that week, was on Thursday. So Christ was crucified on Wednesday day, his body removed from the cross before sunset, the start of the extra Sabbath day. He lay in the tomb from Wed. afternoon to sometime after sunset on Saturday. 3 days and 3 nights.

    Scripture doesn’t tell us that he rose at sunrise on Sunday morning. The last day, and the weekly Sabbath, ended at sunset on Saturday night. The women would have wanted to adorn and scent the body for burial as soon as possible. They probably would not have waited until Sunday morning to do it. The sunrise story comes from the Babylonian Ishtar (pronounced eez-star) goddess religion. As did rabbits and colored eggs but that is another story.

    But then why did they not do it on Thursday night as soon as the Passover Sabbath was over?

    In the ancient world with primitive medical knowledge it was not uncommon for a person to be pronounced dead when in fact they were actually in a deep coma. So in Roman law it was required that for a person to be officially declared deceased they had to entombed for, you guessed it 3 days. A person can only live without water for about 3 days. So a person sealed in a tomb, if not dead when put in, would certainly be dead after the 3 days, and only then could they be officially certified to be actually deceased. The Romans were well aware of the prophecies of Christs resurection and had placed guards on the tomb to prevent his body being stolen. So it is very likely that they would not have allowed anyone to enter the tomb until the 3 days requirement was met.

    The women who discovered the empty tomb reported that the linen cloth used to cover his face was neatly folded and laid upon the cleft in the rock hewn tomb.

    The linen cloth was folded neatly and laid upon the cleft. Why did the women and the recorders of scripture feel the need to report this seemingly insignificant fact?

    Linen napkins were a very expensive item in ancient Israel. You only brought them out for important guests. If you were a guest in an Israelite home during this time you would be given a napkin to use during your meal. It was good manners to lay this valuable accessory carefully upon the table when you rose after the meal. But, if you really wanted to pay your host a compliment, beyond simple good manners. You would neatly fold your napkin and place it upon the place you had been sitting. This signified that "I enjoyed your hospitality and I will return again." You were in fact saying, "Save my place, I'll be back."

    The sacrificial lambs slain on that Passover Wednesday were to be cooked and eaten by the family before the Passover Sabbath began at sunset. But no bones of the lamb could be broken. How do you cook a whole lamb with out cutting it up to fit in the oven?

    The same way that many cultures around the world still do it. You build a small fire in the courtyard and you fasten the carcass on a spit and place it close to the coals to roast.

    When we think of a spit with roasting meat on it we think of the typical "cowboy" fire with the spit running horizontally over the coals. But that is not the way that they do it in other cultures. The South Americans today still cook whole lamb and pig carcasses the same way that the ancient Israelite did. They drive a stake in the ground, fasten a cross bar to it and stretch the carcass over it, securing the legs and splaying the carcass out.

    In other words they put it on a cross!

    See the pictures below.

    Yes, for hundreds of years before Christ was born the yearly sacrificial lambs of the Israelite people, sacrificed to take away their sins, were hung on a cross.

    The fist century historian Josephus tells us that about 250,000 lambs were sacrificed in Jerusalem on that particular Passover. So while Christ hung on the cross, all over the city of Jerusalem, thousands of sacrificial lambs were hanging on crosses as well.

    This also adds meaning to the reference during the last supper when he offers bread and wine "saying this is my body...this is my blood". The blood of the sacrificial lamb was spilled for remission of sin and the flesh was consumed with reverence in the Passover meal. He was saying, "I am the sacrificial lamb".

    What about the blood? The people would offer the blood of the sacrifice for their individual sins but a special lamb would be sacrificed for the sins of the nation, the people as a whole. The high priest would take the blood of this sacrifice and he would enter into the holy of holies where the ark of the covenant was housed. The priest would only enter this holy inner sanctum once a year, and he had to be true and cleansed before entering. A rope was tied to his ankle because if he had any hidden sin or was unclean in any way he would die upon approaching the ark. If he didn't return for some time they would haul out his dead carcass with the rope. But if he were found clean he would approach the ark and would sprinkle the blood of the sacrificial lamb on the mercy seat on top of the ark. This practice had gone on each year for thousands of years before the day that Christ paid the final debt once and for all for all mankind.

    So what does this have to do with the crucifixion of Christ? If he was the final sacrificial lamb then his sacrifice would not be complete until his blood was sprinkled upon the mercy seat of the ark. The problem? The ark had been lost ever since the destruction of the first temple shortly after Solomon’s time. Hundreds of years before Christ’s time. Many theories abound as to what happened to the ark. But most biblical scholars agree that the simplest answer is likely the most likely. That it was hidden away by the Levite priests as the invading armies surrounded the city and it's downfall became imminent.

    The temple mount is riddled with caves and passageways carved out for centuries. So it is likely that the ark was secreted into one of these subterranean vaults and remains undiscovered to this day.


    Or not. A biblical archeologist named Ron Wyatt claims to have seen the ark in a small cavern near the temple mount.

    Many "traditional" holy sites or relics have been found to be frauds. I have lived in the Middle East and am well aware even today of the Arabs reluctance to disappoint a guest. They do not like to say "no". If you ask them for something they will try to find it for you no matter what. So it is readily apparent to scholars that many of these sites and relics were simply a locals attempt to pacify a foreigner. "Can you show me where Christ was crucified?" "But of course my friend right here, and here is the garden tomb. Mount Sinai? Sure I can take you there, no problem."

    The mother of Emperor Constantine went on a pilgrimage to the Holy land to find the sites of the New Testament events and to find any relics. She was shown the spot where Christ was crucified, the garden tomb, and even found a piece of the cross.

    But many scholars doubt that these are the actual sites or an actual piece of the cross.

    Ron Wyatt claims to have found the real site of the crucifixion. All of the details fit exactly what we know of the Romans means of execution. For instance the true cross used by them was a T shape. The modern cross is an invention of renaissance painters. They needed somewhere to place the sign that Pilate ordered hung above Christ, proclaiming him "King of the Jews". They added the longer piece of the upright extending above his head for that purpose. The site that Ron Wyatt found was on the side of a hill and carved into the rock were square holes about two feet deep that would have been used to set the cross into with wedges driven in next to it to sturdy it. There were several holes with the center one higher up than the rest. This is what we would expect as the executions were meant to be observed. So on a hillside would offer good visibility to the masses and the center would be reserved for special prisoners. A few feet above where the center cross would be anchored a small shelf was carved into the rock hillside. This shelf would have been a perfect place to place a sign announcing to the crowds what this criminal was accused of. But the interesting thing that Wyatt found was that there was large crack in the rock that snaked out from the hole for several feet. Probing the crack it was apparent that it was very deep.

    Scripture describes a great earthquake that occurred just as Christ died that "split the rocks asunder".

    This is a great example of how to read scripture. Most people just gloss over that part and read on. But I have to stop and ask "Why?" Did God want to scare people? Nothing in scripture just happens for no reason. There is always a purpose if we search it out. That is one reason I believe Ron Wyatt’s account.

    If this is the actual place where Christ was crucified, why is there a crack in the rock? Why did God cause this enormous earthquake?

    Probing this crack Wyatt got the sense that it was open below the crack. He started searching around the base of the hill and he claims to have found a very small opening. He had to dig it out so that he could squeeze his body inside. He was slithering around in a very narrow chasm and trying to find the bottom side of the crack in the rock above. He came to a very small, fist-sized hole. He could tell that there was a large opening beyond that. He widened the hole as much as possible but he could not get it near big enough to get more than his arm inside. Peering into this chamber with a flashlight he claims to have seen a large cave. And inside were many items covered in cloths. He could see the bricked up entrance on the other side of the cavern where these items were brought in and later sealed up. He noticed a glint in the gloom and saw under the tattered remains of a cloth the Ark of the Covenant! The gold was glinting in the light of his flashlight and he could see just above the mercy seat the bottom of the crack that he had been searching for. He was directly below the crucifixion site. And in the crack he could see the dark stain of blood that had dripped down through it and fell upon the mercy seat.

    So what does all this mean? If true. And I believe that it is (Ron Wyatt died shortly after this discovery having sought in vain permission to excavate this site, and zealously guarding it's location) then it answers many of the "whys" of scripture. The blood of Christ would have pooled at the bottom of the cross (many crucifixion victims died from blood loss, this was the purpose of the scourging beforehand), a divinely inspired earthquake opening a crack in the rock would have allowed the blood to drip down and fall upon the mercy seat of the ark waiting for centuries a dozen feet below the very spot where the sacrificial lamb of God would spill his blood for all mankind!! The blood sprinkling on the mercy seat fulfills the requirements of Mosaic Law for the remissions of sin.

    Just more pieces fitting together in the big picture. More evidence of the hand of God in all things. More of the rest of the story.
     
  8. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    A modern "Asodores"

    An outdoor cookout
    asadore. crosses.JPG
     
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    No matter how hard we try to avoid it, we learn something on this forum from Minuteman's posts. Thanks.
     
  10. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    THANK YOU !!!!!!
     
  11. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    This is a rush job I hope you all find it interesting. It is a very in depth subject albiet a fascinating one. I just don't have the time today to do it justice. But I think you'll read some things you have never heard before. And I hope it allows you to see scripture and old familiar stories in a new and shining light. MM.


    Who hasn't heard the Christmas story? How the three wise men followed the star to Jerusalem to find the infant Christ child. But have you ever wondered who they were?
    Scripture is very vague about them. We don't even know that there were three. And only that they came from the East. What was to the East in that time?

    Who has ever heard of the great Parthian Empire? Not too many I imagine. Parthia was a vast and powerful empire whose boundary began at the Euphrates River and encompassed an area throughout modern day Iraq, Iran, and into India. Many sources erroneously state that they were Persians. Their wealth and power rivaled that of Rome. They fought many battles over several hundred years with Rome and were nearly always victorious. In fact they had driven Rome out of Judea only a few decades before the birth of Christ. But they had no interest in occupying the land and after a humbled and defeated Rome offered them lucrative gifts did they agree to withdraw back across the Euphrates into their own lands. So why have we not heard of this mighty Empire? Because the victors write history and the vanquished fade into it.

    Eventually through inner civil wars and struggles for the throne the power of the Empire was decimated to the point that Rome and other Persian enemies could do what they had for centuries been unable too. Defeat the Parthians in battle. Their Empire faded into the histories that we learn largely from Roman sources. Is it any doubt that they didn't like to elaborate on this great Empire that held the might of Rome at bay for so long?
    <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[​IMG]The hierarchy of the Parthians included a priestly caste of "wise ones". It was they who were charged with searching out any potential heirs to the throne. Ultimately it was they who chose and crowned the new Parthian Kings. They were called Magi.</SPAN>

    Their interest in the Christ child? The child, both through his Mother and through Joseph was born into the Davidic line. He was a descendent of King David and therefore of the royal house of David. And who else could trace their lineage back to the Davidic line? Yes, the Arascid dynasty of Parthia. So the Christ child was an heir to the throne of Parthia. Romes great and powerful rival.

    So when these emissaries from that empire came into Roman held lands, seeking a potential heir to the throne of their Empire, it would have been very disturbing news to the Roman governor. These wise ones, these "Magi", would have come bearing great gifts for this royal prince. The myth that Christ lived a life of poverty just does not hold up to scriptural study. He traveled the breadth of the land with a flock of followers but no scripture ever refers to them earning a wage or being provided for by the people. Scripture tells us that Judas Iscariot was their Treasurer. So where did they get the money to live without working for the entire time of Christ’s ministry? If he was a royal Prince of the Magi's homeland then the amount of gold and costly spices that they brought to him would have been a princely sum. Not the traditional paltry token gifts presented in the popular tale.

    The decree directly from Caesar to not offend the Parthians would account for many things in the Biblical story. The ability of these foreigners to move freely about the land. Their being received upon their arrival by Herod, honored by him. What of the ability of Christ and his followers to openly travel the countryside, teaching and preaching what many would consider treason against Rome? Who else would have been allowed such freedom in an occupied and unstable country?

    Knowing that high ranking nobles from Parthia had visited this man and maybe even having the knowledge that he was an heir to their throne, would explain the great reluctance of Pilate to punish him. He tried every way to not bloody his, and ergo Rome’s, hands. Being under direct orders not to provoke the Parthians he would have gone to great lengths to not harm one of their royal bloodline.

    In light of this knowledge, the questioning of Christ by Pilate takes on a whole new meaning.
    You can see that he is worried about this mans “kingdom”. Christ assures him that “my kingdom is not of this world.” Even then Pilate washes his hands of the matter, absolving Rome from any culpability, and allows the people to decide his fate.

    The words they shout take on a new meaning viewed in this light, “Let his blood be upon us and our children.” The fabled curse of the Jews? Or, “we will suffer the wrath of the Parthians for his death” an absolution of Rome?

    Now when you see those nativity scenes this time of year, you will know more of the greatest story never told. More of the rest of the story.








     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    And yet as much as the Romans worried over the Parthians, when Christ was crucified, the Parthians did not retaliate for the death of a Parthian prince? That part has puzzled me. Also, there is no mention that I've heard telling of the Magi recrossing the Euphrates.

    Puzzling, as so much of history and the Greatest Story are.
     
  13. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    The more I read and study the Bible, the more and more convinced I become that the absolute truth (especially when reveiled to us all on His return) will be far more mind-blowing than any story we have ever even heard.

    Little things, like when Adam and Eve are cast out of the garden of Eden, and cherubs are placed at the gate to deny entry back into the garden. Well those cherubs (or angels) were not nice little babys with wings like you see in the pictures. They must have had a fearsome appearance to keep everyone away.

    I haven't found much in my studies to explain what happened from time of Adam and Eve being expelled to Noah's arc, but it must have been one extremely wild place. Mind you, people lived for CENTURIES back then, so imagine the amount of knowledge and wisdom they had. To think of them as dolting bedowin type nomadic people is quite a disservice. I can only imagine what the world was like at that time- other than the scant and few references to daily life being lived (marriage, hving children, etc) right up until it started to rain.

    Who or what the hell were the Nephilium? Most scholars, preachers, and students don't like to talk about them because they are afraid of getting into fables and peices of other religions to answer that question. I don't want to stray from the word of God, I just want to begin to comprehend the awesomeness of the history that occured. And all of these questions I ask are from Genesis... the first chapter of the Bible! I didn't even get into the rest.

    How about the angels sent to warn Lott? They were so appealing to the residents of Sodom that they ignored Lott's offering of his TWO VIRGIN daughters. What did these guys look like? I was always told that angels were ministering spirits, but they obviously have physical bodies. Also, how bad was Sodom for God to be ashamed of it so badly to wipe it off the face of the Earth? It must have been one wild place, much worse than any downtown section of San Fransisco or Washington D.C. bars.

    I can only imagine these things, until some day I get to talk to my creator and have him answer them. I can rest assured that the answers are going to be far more amazing than any sci-fi or wild, wacked out fantasy ever created by humans.

    Wow, this subject can keep me up all night.
     
  14. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    My theory on that is this; The recent power struggle had decimated the royal line, with assasinations and wars between the heirs, I believe that the loss of one more rival was more of a relief than an outrage to the sitting king. I think Rome, having been so recently and humiliatingly trounced by Parthia was more cowed and worried about it than was necessary.
    And as to the Magi, they were to return to Herod and report to him the whereabouts of this young prince but many believe that they suspected Herod would kill the child to prevent a challenge to his power, or that he had other nefarious reasons for wanting to know who he was. So the Magi did not return to Herod as promised, and quietly returned to their homeland to report to their King.

    An interesting study.
     
  15. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    My speculation is that the Magi became disciples somehow. What better way to covertly finance and gather friendly intelligence? (Not to mention diversionary reports to Herod.)
     
  16. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member


    Interesting! There would have certainly been ongoing contact. The potential rivals to the throne in Parthia would have kept a close eye on this prince as he grew to manhood to see if he had intentions of challenging them for the throne. I think that there must be some other strong tie, as yet undicovered, that gave Christ more of a claim to the Parthian throne than just Davidic bloodline. There were many others of that bloodline in Judea at the time.

    Mary and Joseph's parents would have been born during the time of Parthia's occupation of Palestine. There is speculation that perhaps their parentage included someone of the Arascid dynasty with a direct tie to the throne.
     
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    The more thought going into that speculation, the more possible it seems to me. With say 25 years of mentoring and/or friendship, they could have become quite the trusted advisers. Absent intervention from Above, one might say they had parental approval.
     
  18. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I'm going to re-read the gospels with that premise in mind and see if other things take on new meaning.

    One theory I have studied is that Joseph of Aramithea, the wealthy merchant who gave his own tomb for Christ to be laid in, was actually a wealthy Uncle of his.


    Hmmm, Parthian Nobility?
     
  19. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Shamless Bump. I moved this thread into this forum. It was getting buried in the General Discussion one. I started this before we had the F & R forum.
     
  20. engr

    engr Monkey+

    Timely and great syory. I forwarded this to a priest friend of mine. Hope he will use it in a sermon.

    God speed.
    gh
     
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