The New America

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by duane, Aug 13, 2022.


  1. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Just got back from grocery shopping, $225 for a family of 2 with a garden. While shopping I met a member of our church. Businessman in town, owns his own company, employs about 200 people, been in business for 30 years or so. Been ill so haven't seen them for a few months. We were talking about religion, abortion, the rise of the movements, eg BLM, rainbow groups, immigrants, hate speech, raid on Trump, etc and the Bible's comments on things.. Nothing very much to the far right and certainly not in any way illegal.

    Then I noticed the changes in all of our behaviors. We only talked when we could see for a distance and our heads were on a constant swivel looking for anyone who could hear us.. He was afraid of being called a "fill in the blank" as it would damage both his reputation and his company and thus in public he had to toe the correct "proper language and thoughts" at all times. We knew why he was doing it and also didn't feel comfortable speaking our minds in public. Bad enough he is a white Christian male married for 40 years and employing family members in many of the higher positions in his company, but any "charges" against him could hurt the company he hopes to leave to his children.

    It is no longer "safe" in New Hampshire, the Live Free or Die state motto on our state flag, to talk about many things, even God, to people that you don't know very well as they may very publicily say that you offended them and it was "hate" speech and of course your view of what actually happened doesn't count. And as the old saying goes, after they destroy your reputation, and you are found not guilty, where do you go to get it back?Parents are even very uncomfortable talking to their children and it is a lost cause in most cases trying to talk to grand children. Living as a white Christian conservative is almost a stigma and it sometimes seems that we will soon be like the Christian's of old, meeting in the dark in peoples basements and only trusting those we know. But perhaps that is the goal that left is trying to achieve.
     
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  2. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    I was watching an economics video and the guy talking was telling about how when his father fought in Normandy how brave they were and how they had to keep fighting with his best friends getting blown to bits right beside him and he mused about how afraid he was to speak his mind in public when compared with his father. He said at first he couldn't stand up to the lock downs and masks and other stuff even though he knew it was wrong so he gave money to those who did to support them. For people who aren't brave enough to stand up yet they can always support people like your friend's business. Now he has taken his footing back and teaches others how to stand up in this insane world. People are coming around although way too slow for my liking.
     
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  3. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    That is just what the left wants they want you to be afraid to speak the truth. It is a very effect form of control --FEAR ----well I will not succumb to fear I will speak the truth whether the left likes it or not. I will not be intimidated by their their shouting, by their slander, by their name calling, by their violence. I look at history and that is just what the Nazi did to the jews they remained silent and they went silently to their death.
     
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  4. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    If you are business owner can you survive a sustained leftist attack and having your name and brand pulled through every mud hole? Can you absorb losing 50% + of your business? As an employee is you employer willing to tolerate phone raids demanding that you be terminated because of (Your Insert Whatever) Beliefs/opinions/politics? On a personal level can you accept having your vehicles and home regularly vandalized and catchy phrases spray painted on both? Can you handle getting Doxxed and Swatted? The Leftist play really dirty and are very good at turning a persons good happy go lucky life into a living hell.

    Not saying you are wrong but there is a very heavy price to be paid if you get targeted.
     
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  5. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    I get what you are saying but I am reminded of Unknown.
     
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  6. natshare

    natshare Monkey+++

    Just look at this case, if you want an idea of what can happen. It's not necessarily a matter of being afraid to voice your opinion, but rather, a matter of walking a fine line. This company won its lawsuit, but the college is dragging its feet, paying what they were ordered to pay, and there's not a lot the small business can do about it, short of taking them back to court again.

    Gibson's Bakery v. Oberlin College - Wikipedia
     
  7. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Thunder5Ranch makes a good point, it is not only all the problems they put you thru, but there is a major industry in exploiting the things they put you thru. Don't know how it affected the mental health of the teen girls who were examined by the MSU Dr for the gym stuff, but the lawyers made about 100 million out of it as their share and I know they were not involved in any mental problems other than how to spend the money. Hundreds of millions in suits against the police, drug companies, chemical companies, etc have increased the prices paid for the products they made or drove the company out of business and it now is available only as cheap Chinese stuff that may or may not be good. Replace Monsanto and its labs and all with some Chinese company doing business out of an office behind a pizza parlor in a suburb of LA. Designed to take all the money they can get in the short run and fold when they get sued and go back to "country of choice". Woman puts baby powder in panties, 25 years later gets cancer, sues and gets some money, lawyers get millions. Did she use the brand that is paying for the claim, can't prove it, did it cause the cancer, can't prove it, did she even use the product, can't prove it, but the poor lady has cancer and she deserves the money.

    While it would be nice to stand up for your rights, our company found out that there are groups of people who are not able to do the job that they are applying for, don't really make an attempt to get the job, and then 6 months later some shyster lawyer shows up and threatens to take you to a federal court on discrimination due to the applicants "fill in the blank" and if you don't pay them $50,000 now they will tie you up for years, destroy your companies reputation, cut off your operating capital at the bank, etc. The same scheme is applied to local governments, police actions, large corporations, etc and millions are collected.

    Then there are the crimes punished or not punished depending on the system, drug dealing at lowest levels, dealers not punished when drug user over doses, BLM riots, smash and grab mobs or shoplifting, sexual misconduct charges based on the "victims" statement about what happened 20 years ago with no proof other than the word of the "victim". While I am sure that some portions of the cases are very true, a lot of cases, as the Hollywood casting room couch scandals, the victim may have not had an equal power, but she sure "traded sexual favors" for a spot in the film and took the money and spent it. Was it right, no, but most people did not comply with the system.

    The attacks on the right by the left, Jan 6, trying to impeach Trump twice, the present fishing expeditions and negative press to keep him from running again would seem to indicate that most of us should be wearing tinfoil hats. When even the former president of the USA can not expect fair play from the system, what is your standing up for your rights going to do other then you being slapped down hard.

    FBI seizes privileged Trump records during raid; DOJ opposes request for independent review: sources

    The Law Requires Pat Cipollone to Answer the Jan. 6 Committee’s Questions

    Litigation Tracker: Pending Criminal and Civil Cases Against Donald Trump

    Special Ops Veteran Cancels Plans For Sunday Protest At FBI Headquarters After 'Trap' Warnings | ZeroHedge

    Then there is the infamous Charlottesville right wing riots that attempted to re establish the Jim Crow era, when somewhere between 50 and 250 right wing protesters with a legal permit to hold a rally were attacked by a mob of hundreds to perhaps thousands and violence broke out. If you read the left wing view, it was the worst riots in history and a good reason to outlaw all right wing organizations. Carefully reading the very biased Wikipedia report will indicate that like the Jan 6 riot, it was all smoke and mirrors. Meanwhile weeks of rioting and looting by the left are "mostly peaceful legal protests" .

    Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia

    Fighting cancer and losing so I can feel free to comment on some of the changes going on. Been a good life, have a good wife and a good dog, so accept it and hope to join Christ in the future. Feel sorry for those who are young in this country and are very afraid that they have drank the koolade and it just hasn't taken effect yet. The old saying that you have to sleep in the bed you made may be a very unpleasant future for our country. Somehow they seem to ignore the many tens of millions that have died in the past, as well as the destruction of the economies of the countries in attempting to establish the new perfect socialist system.

    Mods, I may well have taken this into the tinfoil hat area, so please move if you agree.

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  8. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    I have a poor filter, but don't like people so rarely talk outside my circle. Being in the tv business though, I see our parent company and its teams of lawyers fighting daily lawsuits for things said by reporters. Most of it is just slinging shit at the wall hoping something will stick, but the average joe would be forced to spend his money to defend. It isn't just a game of lawyers anymore, it's the game of legal teams. As I understand it we have a stellar one that crushes 99% of what is slung at them, small companies don't have this luxury. I can easily see something, even taken out of context, ruining an individual or small to medium company just with defensive legal fees before it ever gets to the jury.
     
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  9. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    The attack on the T5R began in mid June 2020 by the end of June all but 3 of the 70 events I had booked had dropped us, Citing my radical and dangerous political views as the reason. Also mentioned the hundreds of phone calls demanding that I be dropped or the events would be protested. Hell even the T5R got several hundred phone calls demanding that I be terminated. The 4 admins on the 2 FB Business pages were spending and average of 6 hours per day hiding and deleting the never ending comments on every post that were cut and paste "DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS COMPANY IT SUPPORTS FACISCISM!" Thousands and Thousand of that or much worse from 90% CA, OR, CO, and NYC accounts. The Regulatory agencies from the Health Departments to the USDA were getting hundreds of reports claiming food safety issues and illegal processing of animals. The IRS got dead up my back side as they received hundreds of reports that my food trucks and farm were just a front to launder cash from my illegal meth business. The Sheriff raided my alleged Meth operation, which consisted of coming out asking "So are you a cookin meth out here? And mind if I look around just to confirm you are not? The phone line at the office has been tied up for 2 days now reporting you and demanding I take action." On the way to one of the events that had not dropped me I stopped in SAMS to get one of those giant igloo coolers for the canned drinks because I forgot the drink cooler. Came out to find FASCIST spray painted on both sides of the truck and trailer and on the truck windshield....... very BIGLY.

    TWO YEARS LATER I still get this picture sent to me by friends telling me "Hey thought you should know this is floating around." with some catchy phrase turning it into a meme like "This is what FASCISM LOOKS LIKE!" another common one on the pic is "TRUMPTARD ALERT!!!"
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    2020 cost me just short of $100,000 mostly in stock items for the 67 events that cancelled me. A good bit for my Accountant to deal with the IRS and State Department of Revenue Audits and putting my lawyer on retainer so he would instantly deal with any legal issues the attack might invoke. I typically earned $1000-$2500 net profit per show depending on the show with the average being $1470 so if you count that I lost another $98,500 from being cancelled. I had to let my 4 hired hands for the food trucks go.

    I could take the sustained attack and hits if I had chose to carry on. I am in a position that I can absorb a lot of Financial and Social Damage and not get destroyed. The Question was DID I WANT TO? I was planning on mostly retiring in 2022 at age 55 any way. By November of 2020 between all of the covid bullshit and hoops to jump through plus the still sustained attack, I unpublished the business pages, got a new phone number (God have mercy on who ever gets or got the old T5R Number!) And decided I was just done and would run A Food Truck again a couple of years down the road after I was forgotten by the Leftist and would keep serving a handful of my long time farm customers.

    What started the attack??? A Bumper sticker on one of the Food Trailers that said "Trump Pence 2020 Better than the Alternative."

    Three other regional guys were attacked at the same time, two dares put Trump Pence signs in the yards and the other was vocal about his Trump support. They were younger and not nearly as well established as myself and were ground to dust and out of business by the end of 2020.

    LOL I made the Kamp Krap FB page this year and have a bit of Fascist and Misogynistic fun with it and thus far the twats have not figured out that Mr Krap is Mr T5R :) LOL I am actually going to run with the Kamp Krap brand in a near future smallish business venture. It is already a registered DBA of the T5R Inc. :)

    But seriously there is a painful price to pay for just displaying a Bumper Sticker in my experience. It might be the Local/regionals that start the attack but they quickly call in the National Reinforcements to aid in your destruction. Even if you are well established, respected and popular NO ONE will want to deal with the infestation that has attached itself to you. There is indeed a heavy price to pay for not being overly cautious and keeping a eye on who is watching and listening.

    It all sounds great to say you are going to fight the good fight and not back down. Can be just like the guys that got their small business ground to dust and were let go from their supporting employment. Don't think it would be very pleasant to be unemployed suddenly and your large investment in the small business that was booming turn to Likwid Crap in your hands and then evaporate. Hungry Kids and a Pissed off wife or husband is just a bonus. Once targeted the Leftist do not stop until you are totally destroyed.
     
  10. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    Yeah just like with any other war there are going to be casualties. When compared to


    I think people losing their businesses or having to find a new job, while horrible, is not even in the same ball park.

    We are at war. For all their shortcomings and mental issues, the left know that they are at war and are going all the way. Make no doubts about it, they are not holding back. This 5th gen warfare is not the same as the old 4th. You can not physically fight this war. That is what makes it effective. We should be focusing on 5th gen warfare tactics. I still hear people talking about 4th gen weapons and fighting but today, memes are where its at. Ever notice the meme war is going the way of free peoples? That is because evil people have no creativity unless it comes to taking what is yours. They only succeed in wickedness. That's why they use fear.

    It makes sense tho. Most of the people still think that the governments start wars. That would be true of 4th gen. Today small groups of men sitting in rooms plotting and scheming start wars. Russia didn't invade America. Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, George Soros, and the WEF did. The UN and NATO plan to eat our lunch and we do nothing. They didn't fire a shot, they got you all to agree to take the shots yourself. This is 5th gen warfare. That is how it works. Is a gun going to save you from your own fear? What about the earth exploding? What about the sun going supernova? Only you can prevent that so you must eat bugs, stop driving, and freeze or starve to death. They are completely idiotic ideas but shouted loud enough you can get people to believe anything.

    They may USE a country/war to make you more afraid just like they are doing with Ukraine and Taiwan but physical shooting doesn't work for them because they may get shot and you have to understand they are afraid too. The more money, wealth, and power you have the more fearful you are that you will lose it. Just ask any billionaire. What do you think drives a man like Schwab? It certainly isn't service. Even people who like him don't think he's a nice guy. The news is telling us not to trust billionaires like Trump but they are bought for and paid for by Schwab or Soros or Gates who have much more money than Trump. They are hoping you wont notice.

    Fifth-generation warfare - Wikipedia
    Defining Concepts of 5th Generation Warfare — Learning
     
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  11. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    Its a standard tactic. Just so long as you are paying something, it doesn't matter how much, technically you are complying.
     
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  12. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    I don't want to put too fine a point on it... so let's have the reason for these problems explain it himself.



    Now you may say that he is not really in charge and there is someone else running the US from Obama's basement but the fact is, none of this is by mistake. All of the policies that he has put in place, do you think they come from him? Day 1 he shut down the oil and re-joined the Paris Accords. He's wandering around bumping into walls but a very specific agenda is being put into place methodically with the kind of accuracy that a well oiled group of communists pray for in the third world. HE IS THE DISTRACTION. They love when he says he molests children. They love when he talks like grampa simpson. Please focus on that all day long. Don't focus on the fact that there is no way in hell he's this effective at destroying the country.

    Who is doing it? It's more than just Commie Obama in his basement. They control the whole FBI. Notice not one word about the CIA has come up while he's been in office even though they have declared war on the American people. Every president before him has had news stories about the CIA but now, not a word. That is by design.
     
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  13. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    This morning Fox had an article on how the left wing activists fund groups to sue companies on climate change. Non profit, "tax haven ?" funds lawyers to sue oil companies, local governments, etc, and if the lawyers win, then they get paid again. A win win situation for the law firm of Crook, Crookeder, and Crookedist .

    Leonardo DiCaprio funneled grants through dark money group to fund climate nuisance lawsuits, emails show

    The right fights battles, the left fights wars, right can't win. Every new law requires just giving up one more little thing by the right. The camel's nose entered the tent, now the whole camel is there.

    And in the same news report, school board gets mom fired from her job for daring to question their authority.

    Michigan mom who advocated against lockdowns, speaks on how district allegedly bit back: 'It hit my family'
     
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  14. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    The only way the right can win is use the left tactics ----you don't come to a gun fight with a feather
     
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  15. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    We call it "Unrestricted lawfare".

    It has driven two major oil companies out of Alaska - so far.
     
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  16. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    This is horrifying! In truth, it sounds so much like the Nazis of the late 1930's...
     
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  17. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

  18. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    I would have wigged out and been violent.

    You are a wise and patient man.
     
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