The Post in Which I Piss Off EVERYBODY

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  1. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    The Post in Which I Piss Off EVERYBODY.

    Feb 13, 201301:57AM
    Category: Politics
    Posted by: Michael Z. Williamson

    Or, How I Learned To Stop Caring.

    By way of introduction, I'd like to explain some of my former positions. Please do not reply and tell me why I'm wrong. That's not relevant to this post. These WERE my positions, for right or wrong.

    I used to believe women had a right to reproductive choice. As a male, I will obviously never have an abortion. I supported access because birth control is cheaper than abortions, abortions are cheaper than welfare, welfare is cheaper than jail. And I don't believe the government is capable of legislating for every circumstance. Most of the time, a woman and her doctor will make a decision that works for the situation, and until a baby is an independent organism, it's a parasite. This was also important to me because my wife was warned that a further pregnancy could kill her. That's been surgically remedied and is no longer a problem.

    I used to believe gays were entitled to relate as they wished, including marriage. What two people do together doesn't affect me unless I'm one of them.

    I used to believe it was wrong to treat people differently based on their skin color. Even if a few people fit a stereotype, millions of others do not.

    I used to believe there should be a strong division between church and state, that any support of a religious entity using property of the state constituted endorsement and was wrong.

    I used to believe people had a right to protest, campaign, rant and create non-violent incidents to express themselves and their positions. I also believed they had a right to publish as they chose. I believed they were entitled to burn the Flag in protest, to make a statement.

    I have obviously been at odds with conservatives over these positions. There have been loud arguments, heated discussions and occasional insults.
    I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. The Supreme Court agrees with me, which means that right is as valid as abortion, sexual privacy, protest and speech.

    This should mean that strict scrutiny applies, meaning the government needs to prove the fabric of society itself is at risk before limiting it. Just as the Press has the right to broadcast troop movements it can see or acquire, regardless of casualties, I have the right to own weapons, regardless of how someone else may act. "Someone might get hurt" is an invalid excuse for restriction.

    In fact, it's easy enough to prove that freedom of the press HAS caused harm and even death to people, whether it's troop movements, or the address of a person of interest.

    The rights of gays to relate as they wish brings the risk of AIDS (60% of all cases are from gay relations, not drugs or medical contamination.)

    It's provable that if we required proof of need before awarding a driver's license, we'd have less car accidents.

    So, the argument that "guns kill people" is null and irrelevant to the discussion. Lots of things kill people. That's not relevant to our civil rights.

    Now, over this position, I've had at least 5 death threats (though of course, no "liberal" actually has the balls to attempt so).

    I've twice been reported to Family Services on the grounds that I have guns in the house, which means I'm a danger to my kids (which complaints were laughed at, here in Indiana).

    I've been accused of racism...because I own guns.

    I've been accused of fascism…because I own guns.

    I've been called a coward…no "real man" needs a gun to protect himself. This is a surprise to me as a veteran, who carried guns regularly for the purpose of protecting myself and others, but what do I know?

    I've been called a "Fat, Fox News watching, McDonald's munching, inbred, retarded, drooling redneck imbecile."

    I've been told I have a small penis.

    I've been told I'm insane to "imagine fighting the government" by people with no military experience who also hate the government, sometimes for the same reasons.

    I've had a date tell me I "seem so normal, for a gun nut."

    I've been called a "rightwinger." Indeed. A gay/female/black/abortion/separation of church and state/free speech supporting rightwinger.

    I've been told this right doesn't exist, that if it exists I can't "pretend" it's more important than wage inequality for women, or gay marriage
    When the Heller Decision was decided in favor of gun ownership, I was told "I hope you all shoot yourselves with guns, because I can't marry the man I love!" by an alleged friend.

    There's apparently a "Right to feel safe," and my owning a gun destroys it, because I might shoot someone. However, if I say a gun makes me feel safe, I'm paranoid and insane.

    I've been told I support "baby killers."

    I've been threatened with having my Wikipedia page vandalized, by someone who claimed he was more of a man than me.

    I've been told I can't be trusted. How can anyone know I won't go on a shooting spree, because I own an "assault rifle"?

    So much for liberal tolerance.

    I didn't realize I was so evil and hateful an individual I deserved to be treated in such fashion.

    But when I look at the arguments, I think they may be correct:

    "At the time the Constitution was written, the weapons in question were muskets."

    You know what? You're right. And marriage was between one man and one woman. So what's with gay marriage? No longer will I offer any moral support, oppose any online statements attacking it, speak out for it. They have the same right as anyone—to marry someone of the opposite gender. And given that all gays support raping little boys (just like all gun owners support shooting school kids), I don't think I can support them. We should do things just the way they were done 220 years ago. That's the liberal way.

    "The Heller Decision was by an activist court. It doesn't count."

    Indeed. Just like Roe v Wade was an activist decision. It doesn't count.

    "We're not trying to take your guns away, just have reasonable limits. It's a compromise."

    And some people want reasonable limits on abortion, like waiting periods, gestational time limits, ultrasound, etc. It's a reasonable response to an activist court decision, and reasonable restrictions on a right, for public benefit. Don't come whining about your right to murder babies, and I won't come to you whining about my right to shoot school kids.

    And no one is saying you can't ride the bus. You just have to sit where people think is reasonable. No one is saying women can't work. They just have to get paid what is reasonable for the work they do, allowing for the fact they're going to leave the workplace and raise a family. It's a compromise.

    "Assault weapons are an extreme interpretation."

    True. And not allowing any religious emblems on government premises is an extreme interpretation. As long as they're privately paid for, what's it to you? No one is saying you can't belong to the Christian church of your choice, just not to extreme groups, like atheists or Muslims. It would be paranoid to think anyone was trying to infringe on your legitimate right to be free from state religion, just like I'd be paranoid to think they wanted to take my guns. Quite a few states had official churches well into the 1800s. This is not an infringement on your freedom of religion.

    "Given Sandy Hook, you have to make reasonable compromises."

    "We just want licensing and safe storage requirements so the wrong people don't get guns."

    "Publicizing the information lets people make informed choices about who they live near."

    Accepted. In exchange, gay men should make reasonable compromises over Penn State. They will simply have to accept being registered and kept a safe distance from children. This isn't a violation of their rights. It's just common sense. The public has a right to know.

    This should apply to protests, too. No reasonable person would object to being identified. They should welcome it—it means they can't be wrongly maligned. All union members, blacks, gays and feminists should be signed in with ID before a march or gathering, just so we can track the real criminals to keep the rest safe.

    "The country survived without assault weapons for 240 years."

    True (well, no, it was 135 years, depending on your definition of "assault weapon"). And it survived without women in combat even longer. The infantry's trying to scare off women? Serves them right. Things were working just fine the way they were.

    "This woman is being badly portrayed on the cover of a book."

    No, no, that's an accurate portrayal, just like all military contractors are sociopathic mercenaries who torture people, all gun owners are moral cowards with Walter Mitty complexes and all gun dealers exist to make money from gangbangers. It's silly to suggest one group is singled out for inaccurate portrayals when we know the other portrayals are spot on.

    Yup. I'm taking you at your word. Want money? Don't care. Want a petition signed? Call someone who who gives a shit. Want a link spread? Yawn. Women or gays or blacks or Hispanics don't feel they're being treated nicely? So what?
    First they came for the blacks, and I spoke up because it was wrong, even though I'm not black.
    Then they came for the gays, and I spoke up, even though I'm not gay.
    Then they came for the Muslims, and I spoke up, because it was wrong, even though I'm an atheist.
    When they came for illegal aliens, I spoke up, even though I'm a legal immigrant.
    Then they came for the pornographers, rebels and dissenters and their speech and flag burning, and I spoke up, because rights are not only for the establishment.
    Then they came for the gun owners, and you liberal shitbags threw me under the bus, even though I'd done nothing wrong. So when they come to put you on the train, you can fucking choke and die.
    Or you can commit seppuku with a chainsaw. I really don't care anymore. This is the end of my support for any liberal cause, because liberals have become anything but.


    UPDATE: A friend of mine observes that he voted for legalized pot and gay marriage in his state, and now those same activists, with time and resources freed up, are attacking his right to keep and bear arms.

    No, it really doesn't make sense to help them, they will only stab you in the back. They're not "liberals" and they don't want "liberty." They want liberty for them, but not for you.
  2. DMGoddess

    DMGoddess Monkey+++

    Actually, you didn't piss me off, I started chuckling. Your statements are perfectly reasonable, as made, and they are your viewpoint and your opinion, so you have a right to them.
    You're also absolutely right about the points you make.
    The worst part is, I used to be a card-carrying feminist (yes, I had a membership card), a liberal, etc., etc., etc., except for being an atheist.
    Now, the closest I'd come to is I don't want to be labeled, and I'll use my conscience to decide what's important, and I've never reversed my opinion on anything that I took a stand on. I don't own a gun, but that's my thing (haven't learned to shoot so far, and I've always believed that something like that in the hands of an amateur is more dangerous for the amateur), but there is no way I'll tell someone they can't. All this junk about 'gun control' is ridiculous, because we can see how well criminals and crazies (the real ones, not people like us ;) ) would obey the law.
    You don't have to tell me that humans are ungrateful bastards, in a general and specific sense. Humans wouldn't have survived if they hadn't learned to hunt from other animals, and specifically from wolves. What thanks do the wolves get? Demonized, hunted, massacred, and reviled. No gratitude.
    You keep to your own values and opinions, and the heck with anyone who says you can't do that.
    Boy, I think this is the longest post I've made so far.
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    All these issues are of a political nature, not by coincidence or by chance, but through careful manipulation of thought and emotion predicated on the assumption that the majority equals legitimacy. This is the inherent problem with "democracy" and a corporate media cartel masquerading as independent journalism. The people have been divided in numerous ways, it's a "Balkanization" of the traditional foundations of liberty, and the consequences are most dire. For decades, this nation has been grouped into two major parties, and the politics at play deals in bipartisan effort to usher in more governmental control regardless of the issue at hand. The result of these many years of indoctrination and mindshare propaganda campaigns has undoubtedly left the people angry, frustrated and bitter at each other. This is the point. As long as we continue to fall for the same tricks, we won't ever take the time to realize who is pulling the strings and why. The corporate establishment, in its many compartments, has pulled a hood over the eyes of the people, and they don't seem to be able to notice the giant elephant in the room. We need to rid ourselves of this parasitic government, every last scrap of it --no matter its individual position or political affiliation.

    Every last politician, every Congress critter, every representative, lawyer, banker, lobbyist, general, and alphabet agency needs to be FIRED. We should Un-employ every last one of them and return to our limited republic.
  4. DMGoddess

    DMGoddess Monkey+++

    When I worked for a copy service, we talked about psychiatrists (another part of the brainwashing structure these days) jumping into the ocean with a lawyer under each arm. These days, it should be politicians jumping with an anchor and a lobbyist under each arm. Ten thousand should be a good start. That would take care of a good chunk of the state bloodsuckers, too.
  5. Elessar

    Elessar Monkey+++

    Wow, insightful, thought provoking, and clear-heading. Who would'a thought it possible. Nice job and a good read.

    While I can't agree with everything you said, I will agree with most, and support your right to say it. Good for you to stand on your own morals and principles and refuse to let someone with a label gun stick you in a hole.

    I am me, and refuse to be who you think I should be.
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  6. Rabid

    Rabid Monkey

    Not pissed at all, as a matter of fact I too support some of your statements and not some of the others. Supposedly that is what America is about.
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  7. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    This sums things up nicely for me. Well done sir !
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  8. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    I can definitely feel this guy's frustration. I have prided myself on being staunchly independent in the voting booth, and not allowing myself to be branded by one party or another. I have always attempted to learn all that I could about the pool (cesspool) of candidates and to choose what I considered to be the best person for the job, regardless of party affiliation.

    I also, like the fellow who wrote the original post, have tried to support the right of citizens to live their own lives, free from the moralizing of others; and I still do.

    But the assault on gun ownership rights, primarily driven by the Democratic Party, is pushing me into a very small corner of the voting booth. I said as much in a recent letter to one of my State Senators, a Democrat. I told her that her party was making a serious miscalculation; and that I was sure that I was not the only Independent gun owner in this country that felt so. I told her that in the next elections, the Republican Party could teach a monkey to sit up and say, "Second Amendment Rights," and he would win by a landslide; and that I would be one of those voting for him.

    I told her that I would like to know exactly where she stood on the gun ownership question (she's one of those that says, "I support the right of the American people to bear arms. I have always supported hunters."); because when our founding fathers penned the Second Amendment, they weren't thinking about deer and duck hunting. "A well regulated militia" is not necessary to hunt quail.

    I didn't even get a response from a teenaged volunteer staffer. Her office was kind enough though to place me on her mailing list for her monthly newsletters. They now go directly to my spam folder, which is where they belong.

    I still support the concepts of equality and justice for ALL people, and reject unnecessary government interference and the imposition of narrow minded moralizing; because these are beliefs I hold for myself - not positions assumed on the behalf of others. That, perhaps, is the mistake made by Mr. Williamson - supporting other people, rather than supporting ideals that he believed in. I don't believe in very many "people." I do believe in ideals. What I do, I do for myself - so that I can live with the man that I am. Doing things for other people tends to lead to disappointment. Other people, by and large, will generally throw you under the bus as soon as it benefits them to do so.
  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    There once was a time when the people actually owned property and did as they pleased, without interference from government. Things must have been so much more simple then. Today, the people are a part of group think, they regurgitate the thoughts provided for them by a magic box and assign themselves to party politics because they lack the imagination and greatness of our ancestors. Today's "person" is just a photocopied image of another picture which has been meticulously prepared by multibillion dollar corporations, wandering like ships at sea without a rudder and react by the mercy of every event. They do not stand on their own, nor do they possess an identity defined as unique --by every account this would be the modern definition of hopelessness.
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  10. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    Didn't piss me off a bit, as a matter of fact I linked the original blog to Facebook :)
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  11. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    Update to this post. I just received a response from the office of the Senator mentioned above (Kay Hagan). I find some of her responses heartening (particularly for a Democrat); as in her rejection of a national gun registry. I was drawn to, and concerned by, one of her comments though: "I feel that commonsense reforms are possible to ensure those who are already prohibited from owning firearms - such as criminals or the mentally ill - do not have illegal access to them."

    Ostensibly, to moderates on the question of gun ownership (if there are any moderates on the question of gun ownership) it seems like a good idea to keep guns out of the hands of those named - "criminals" and the "mentally ill" - but how are we defining "criminal" (there are a lot of new criminals in New York, Colorado, and Connecticut thanks to new gun laws) and "mentally ill"? Additionally, children are prohibited from owning firearms. Are we to extrapolate this position to mean that firearms are to be forbidden in any home in which a child is present? It's all in the wording.
    (Senator Kay Hagan's Reply)
    Dear Friend,
    Thank you for contacting me about the ongoing debate on how to reduce gun violence in our nation. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this important issue, and encourage you to stay in contact with me as this debate progresses.
    In recent months, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have discussed steps we can take to reduce gun violence. I believe we must take a comprehensive approach to reducing gun violence that examines all relevant issues, such access to firearms, mental healthcare, and the prevalence of violence in video games and media. Additionally, we must do a better job of enforcing the laws that are already on the books. I do support tougher penalties for those who violate gun trafficking laws, efforts to increase safety at schools, and improvements to our mental health care system to make sure people get the help they need before a violent tragedy occurs. I do not support changing the current law banning a national registry of firearms, and will continue supporting the rights of responsible gun owners.
    I am a firm believer in our citizens' Second Amendment rights to protect themselves and their families, and my voting record in Washington reflects that. With this in mind, I feel that commonsense reforms are possible to ensure those who are already prohibited from owning firearms - such as criminals or the mentally ill - do not have illegal access to them. I pledge to be sensitive to your thoughts and concerns as gun violence legislation come before the Senate.
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  12. Rabid

    Rabid Monkey

    Please define "mentally ill". Depressed? Have ADD? Have a phobia? Have talked to a shrink at any time in your life? Lets throw the people with Add, fear of heights and such under the bus so the rest can sleep peacefully with their guns in their arms.
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  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    So...if i fear people with phobias.....isn't THAT a phobia?o_O ;)
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  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I think that might be "phobophobia", the fear of being scared... close anyway! lol
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