The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government Kindle Edition by Jefferson Davis (Author)

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  1. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Thanx, d
     
  3. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

  4. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Nice!
     
  5. snake6264

    snake6264 Combat flip flop douchebag

    Thanx
     
  6. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @Don't Thank you. I have downloaded it this morning along with "The Gray Book (1920)" and the "Constitution of the Confederate States of America" (both only .99 cents each)

    I figured I would try to answer some questions I have always had like why did 4 slave states (Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri) fight for the union if (as we're told) the war was about slavery? And, my biggest one which many call the "Lincoln Paradox" which a book reviewer explains so well as "If we assume that it is fundamentally wrong to hold someone against their will with the use of force, as in slavery, how is it then right to use force to hold a State in the Union against their will?" You reminded me that I have not completed finding answers that satisfy me to these and a few others, high time I did so...

    EDIT: Has everyone heard of "The Corwin Amendment"? I had not until recently...this alone seems to me to kick to the curb the old idea of the Civil War was about slavery.

    "The Corwin Amendment is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that would shield "domestic institutions" of the states (which in 1861 included slavery) from the constitutional amendment process and from abolition or interference by Congress. It was passed by the 36th Congress on March 2, 1861, and submitted to the state legislatures for ratification. Senator William H. Seward of New York introduced the amendment in the Senate and Representative Thomas Corwin of Ohio introduced it in the House of Representatives. Prior to the American Civil War, it was one of several measures considered by Congress in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to attract the seceding states back into the Union and in an attempt to entice border slave states to stay."
     
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  7. Gafarmboy

    Gafarmboy Monkey+++

    Thank you for the link....and the post on the Corwin amendment...That bears further research..
     
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  8. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    I remember one of our southern monkeys posted quite a bit of historical facts here that go against the common "Histories" that we were fed in school. I don' remember who it was, or what the thread was about, but it was quite profound to me, not learning the real truth until well into the twilite of my 40s! Shame we were fed all the lies all these years, and I have to wonder how things might be different had the truth been told long ago!
     
  9. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @Ura-Ki It does seem that more and more of the 'real' history is slowly leaking out over the last decade or so...for example, I just recently came across that 'Corwin Amendment.' My jaw hit the floor when I read it.

    And, I suppose you can't really blame the Professors or teachers as they are told what they can/cannot teach... In our defense, at the innocent age when we normally take American History one assumes that one is being taught the truth. And, it is so simple to just pigeon-hole 'slavery' as the cause when in fact it was much more complex but mostly about greed and power.

    But, how history overlooks the atrocities committed by the North - well - I will never understand. I speak specifically about Sherman's 'March to the Sea,' the burnings, the rapes, the murders, all whitewashed over and condone by President Lincoln but there were more, many more. Yet, now we pull down statues of decent and brilliant generals like Lee and leave murdering Sherman's standing. Yeah, I understand why Southern folk take offense...and they should.
     
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  10. bagpiper

    bagpiper Heretic

    Here in the south, we have a tradition on News Years...
    We eat black eyed peas and greens, exclusively, for lunch and/or dinner... What, why?
    Even many that live in the south have 'lost the meaning' of the tradition. All they know is that it is done to "remember the yankees".
    During Reconstruction, the yankee soldiers came through burning and stealing anything worth stealing/eating/owning, including all farm animals, this was from civilians remember... they were supposed to "teach us a lesson" and the soldiers left us only "food fit for hogs"...

    The "War of Northern Aggression" and its aftermath of a scorched Earth policy by their actions plus stealing land the "Union League" placing blacks in positions of power over now poor whites , caused the KKK, Jim Crow, and hatred of the "Damned Yankees", left kids like me, even in the 1960's, to not fully understand that, damned and Yankee, were TWO WORDS... That, was a LOT OF HATE that lasted over 100 years, and still exists today... why would anyone trust a federal now, especially after we've seen that they are totally self centered, arrogant, untrustworthy, and in the case of the VA (me), are total lying rat bastards. (Want me to write a book? I now have stage4 lung cancer, and they're idea of healthcare is to go home 140 miles away, and in about 3-6 months, we'll start your testing/treatment (based on 1970's tech....) What was it Trump promised? Oh yeah, sounded kinda like Obama... so now, I'm paying for local treatment at a 5 star cancer center, I will be left bankrupt and destitute, I' m sure, but, that's ok, I will be reminding Mr. Trump, my congresscritter, the news, the TV, and online, exactly how bad their system is.... I mean, the doctors I'm with now, cannot refuse treatment, (old trick in the south, called carpet bagger laws... so we'll see if I can hang on to my house. Wish me luck.

    That was kind of a tangent, sorry... my main thread of thought, was that the Confederacy, was in direct response to the tax policy of the Federal government, kinda like today, only instead of pulling their money out of your pockets, remember, there was no income tax... there were only tariffs, and the US derived 2/3 of their income from COTTON EXPORT TARIFFS. But, northern manufacturers, and cotton weavers, and shipping companies, had their money in congresses pocket to force the south to heel, while Britain wanted that cotten, and the shipping costs... Alll the south had, was cotten.

    This is a good lesson in diversification of economies... see what's happening now, today? NAFTA, WTO, was all predicted by H Ross Perot, this is the famous "Great sucking sound of factories and jobs being sucked out of America". Now we should see why we have been DEGENERATING for 20 years, why our young men are falling into opiod abuse becuase they have no real purposes anymore. Schools are failing because the Oligarch's want a global bank dominated socialist empire with control over the whole world, and Mr. TRUMP, was the only voice back then that I heard opposing the NAFTA crowd.

    Mr. Lincoln back then, was out of money, and the New York bankers were going to charge him double digit interest to fight his war. But, what did he do? He instructed the U S Treasury to begin the process of printing GREENBACKS... these were US Treasury notes/ non interest bearing coupons.... we, the US States, could learn some lessons from a simple tradition;
    Go have some black eyed peas and greens and have a long think, about how to "turn the tables on the money changers"....
     
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