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the straw that broke the monkey's back

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CATO, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

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    I started thinking: "What indicator will it be? How will we know that the rollercoaster has gone over the top with enough inertia to take us to the bottom?" Or, another thought...."At what point will the sheeple pull their heads out of the sand and say "enough" and hit the streets? There has to be a point at which the lazy dog laying on the nail sticking out of the porch can't take the pain anymore gets up to lay somewhere else.

    So, what is the recipe for disaster? What is necessary for balloon to pop?
    • Right now, we have gas in one locale rising rapidly. Although it is supposed to be short-lived, what if it continues to climb and hits $6/gallon and spreads to more locales? This will set off a chain reaction in prices everywhere increasing.
    • We've just had a 3rd round of counterfeiting done by the fed--will our creditors allow a 4th?
    • We have high unemployment--but, no one knows exactly what the numbers are because there are different numbers being reported by different groups.
    • 95% of our GDP is debt...what happens when it hits 100%? Will this do it?
    • Interest rates are low; taxes are going to be going higher (Taxmageddon). If people start bartering, that's going to be less taxes for the pigs in DC, which may in turn cause further tax increases (France and Spain have just announced this)
    When will the straw break? And I'm not talking about curve balls here (e.g., election causes rioting because it's close and the SC determines Romney the winner).

    It seems like the govt. spends more time coming up with ways to get more taxes than trying to find ways to cut spending.
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The straw will break when the private Federal Reserve decides it will break; this is their creation and very little, if anything is withstanding design. I have read some very strong opinions on the possibility of "unforeseen" market turns, and many concepts of repercussions concerning the global market --and some of it is speculation at best. The FIAT currency is in a downward spiral, this has been predicted from the onset. However, unless one is actually part of the deciding party at the top, this scientifically controlled monetary machine is not going to yield firm answers as to precisely when it will totally collapse. Of course, we do have the next best thing at our disposal, that being time-honored trend research and history to guide us. Even so, I feel like these small and sudden happenings, such as the California gas rationing are not so much the result of a failing economy as it is a well conceived plan to illicit change. These changes will bring about new policy and further empower the ones who provide the solution, furthering the goal of establishing a functional global society. To give a quick example, it would be much the same as a passenger on a railway train headed at full speed toward the end of the line with no brakes. The train will meet its end and there is nothing to stop it. Yet, along the way, the guys in the engine room will have all kinds of solutions. The passengers will accept just about anything as long as it saves their lives. Therefore, recognizing the importance in the fact that the current economy WILL fail is more crucial than attempting to pinpoint the exact moment it could collapse.

  3. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    If the Devil is all-powerful, why is going to let the train run off the tracks? This implies the puppetmasters have no control either.
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Great question. Perhaps I can answer in the words of some of the more enlightened masters, "Igna natur renovatur integra", which is Latin for all of nature is renewed by fire. If the masters have a monopoly on the money making business, it doesn't matter how many systems collapse --they will just make a new currency, slap on a name and continue. The concept is mostly centered around bringing Mexico up to the same economic realm of the U.S. and Canada --creating equilibrium so that a combined currency can be issued. At least, that's the story as I know it.


    Now, if you can answer "how can they manage to create and establish a North American Union without completely destroying the European Union" you get a cookie. =)
  5. Jaybird

    Jaybird Monkey+

    Whatever the cause, the sheeple will most likely not do much until they cannot, or think they cannot get food. That will be the tipping point. You can fill in your own brand of what will cause this "shortage" of food.
  6. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    All it will take is a single large company to say 'No' to Fiat currency and want hard currency or other tangible assets of their trade partner and the house of cards will start to fall.

    Gas can go to 6 or 7 before the sheeple will get cranky
    But Food, as soon as they can not afford that. We is in trouble.

    Keep printing the money , devalue the dollar, inflate the prices .. yep, it's on it's way. When will it get here will be the 103 Million dollar question (64MM adjusted for inflation)
  7. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

  8. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Brokor RE: why the devil is crashing the train?

    Here's an interesting theory.....if I were on bizzaro Earth. [alien]

  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    To build a bigger one after the smoke clears?
  10. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    When a nation's monetary system falls apart and their currency is next to worthless, there won't be a bigger one as the smoke takes decades to clear.

    The actual meaning of "a house they can't afford" is they took on too much debt to pay and we are close, too damn close.
  11. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor Site Supporter+

    It is a no win situation as it stands. We are already beyond the tipping point. We just have not been called on it yet. It's coming soon. Not everyone is asleep. Interest on the debt and manditory (promised payments), so called entitlements eat up more cash than we take in. Forget the 11 year war we are engaged in. Forget we have twice as many government employees as the private sector. Forget foreign aid. Forget education. Forget repair of infrastructure. Forget our large standing Military. We could but won't eliminate but a small percentage of all the Forgets, and the truth is we could completely eliminate all of them totally and we still could not balance the budget. That is a fact, so we are truly screwed !!!
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  12. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    After I learned some nut job tax code regulation lets illegals with a federal tax number milk us for 9.4 billion in refunds for dependents. Find another 10 cuts of the same value and it is 100 billion. Welfare, rent subsidies, food stamps need an eye also.
  13. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor Site Supporter+

    Don't get me wrong, 100 Billion in a normal world would not be chump change, but in a world where an Usurper president from Kenya has added 5.1 Trillion to the national debt in 3.5 years ..... well, guess what 9.4 and even 100 Billion is chump change
  14. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    If 0bama wins, America will jump off the fiscal cliff. If Romney wins, we don't know until we try.
  15. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I think the US Taxpayers are lemmings trapped in shiny metal boxes.
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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I have to respectfully disagree about your assertion that there won't be another, bigger currency --the goal is clearly to move to a unified currency for the Americas, as I provided information for already. As we look at the past, the Great Depression itself serves as a decent compass as to what extent the private banks can reach in little time. Almost overnight, the entire gold backed system was overhauled and switched for a completely FIAT currency, although on the surface it did not appear this way and it took more than a decade to take root. In fact, it wasn't until after Kennedy was assassinated that all ties to the gold based system were eradicated. Soon after, even the private banking investors themselves could not be found on any lists (secrecy is so popular these days). Even so, the bigger monetary system was established, creating massive debt (in the form of currency) which enabled a scalable, modern system we now have to grow. Granted, a lot of it is all smoke and mirrors with market speculation and finance rate manipulation in place to steer trends and create recessions and depressions, but it's all a matter of knowing how the rules to usury work. And, so it is clear --the rules are whatever the private banks say they are. Since 1933, the Treasury borrows FRN's from the private Federal Reserve at face value plus interest and penalties. Even when we operated with Lincoln Greenbacks, which were without debt, the only penalty received came as a result of inflation (which was also attributed to the bankers and counterfeiting).

    To summarize, we won't see multiple decades of agonizing smoke after the dollar crumbles. The private banking cartel will capitalize on the moment, as anticipated. The reason it is simple to understand is this: there is no competition. In a free market, there could be competing currencies, but the powers that be have long established a monopoly on this trend despite the clear wording of the Constitution, which illustrated the fact that states can pay their debts in silver or gold, but the kicker is with Congress having exclusivity on "coining money". This is where Lincoln and his crew actually had a stroke of brilliance. By keeping the money within the hands of Congress and not enabling it to borrow money at interest, the line to the private banking establishment was severed. This could not be allowed to continue.

    And so, a private corporate dynasty has pretty much enveloped the entire world, having exclusive privilege to lend money and forever enslave nations the old fashioned way --with usury. When one FIAT system collapses, another will take its place, and the eyes of the elite focus on globalism.
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