The U.S. Government is NOT a government - It's a CORPORATION

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Brokor, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    "Congress copyrights the Constitution for the thirteen united States of America and renames it THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. New corporate government for the District of Columbia, commands all it's vessels to swear oath to new copyrighted version." -District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 (Forty-First Congress of the United States, Session III, Chapter 61 and 62, sec. 34 enacted February 21, 1871)

    UNITED STATES CODE, Title 28, 3002(15)(A) -- Re-iterates:
    "The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a State" (NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S. 0.1973, 14 L. Ed. 287). Volume 20: Corpus Juris Sec. 1785
    The United States of America is a corporation endowed with the capacity to sue and be sued, to convey and receive property.1 Marsh. Dec. 177, 181. ...but it is proper to observe that no suit can be brought against the United States without authority of law. Bouvier's Law , 5 definition of United States.

    -- United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33

    The U.S. Government declared bankruptcy in 1933
    in Roosevelt's executive orders 6073, 6102, 6111, AND 6260 and lost it's sovereignty. This was confirmed in Perry v. US (1935) 294 U.S. 330-381, 79LEd 912, as well as 31 U.S.C. 5112 and 5119 and 12 U.S.C. 95a. Title 28, 3002(15)(3): States that all departments of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION are part of the corporation.

    The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it's territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial/Public Law rather than Common/Private Law. The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: "Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument." The Restore America Plan reclaimed the De Jure institutions of government of the 50 State Republics in order to restore Common Law that represents the voice of the people and ends Corporate Law that ignores the voice of the people while operating under Maritime/Admiralty/International Law. This occurred when warrants were delivered to all 50 Governors on March 30, 2010. The rewritten Constitution of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION bypasses the original Constitution for the United States of America, which explains why our Congressmen and Senators don't abide by it, and the President can write Executive Orders to do whatever he/she wants. They are following corporate laws that completely strip sovereigns of their God given unalienable rights. Corporate/Commercial/Public Law is not sovereign (private), as it is an agreement between two or more parties under contract. Common Law (which sovereigns operate under) is not Commercial Law; it is personal and private.
  2. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I like peeling bananas and (occasionally) people.

    Bokor is absolutely right about this. Dead on.

    My daughter had a homework question one time. It was "How long do you think the Constitution will endure?"

    She asked me, and my answer was "It didn't".
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  3. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    How many times did I post that same thing and was told I was a nut and quite clogging up the threads with conspiracy lies?

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  4. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    So if we don't work for the corporation, we don't have to follow their (by)laws, rules and orders?
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  5. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    Absolutely right! Then, of course they will send in the strike breakers, look at Waco, Gordon Kahl, Pastor Robert Miles, the Bundy Ranch (NV), Ruby Ridge (ID) current ranch (OR) for what will be in store for you. Which you will ABSOLUTELY deserve for not bowing to you owner/master (corps) and of course will be vilified here by fools.
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  6. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    Here's a little more to think about.

    "Iowa" is a country (also known as a state) that is united with other states of the Union by and under the Constitution.

    The Iowa Supreme Court has opined for the U.S. District Court, Southern District of Iowa, to wit: "We have previously acknowledged that although not expressly declared by our statutes or constitution to be part of Iowa law, "the common law has always been . . . in force in Iowa." Iowa Civil Liberties Union v. Critelli, 244 N.W.2d 564 (Iowa 1976)" Atwood v. Vilsack, 725 N.W.2d 641 In the Supreme Court of Iowa No. 125 / 05-0485 (Certified questions of law from the United States District Court for the Southern District of Iowa)

    "The United States Government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state" Volume 20: Corpus Juris Secundum, Section 1785 (copyright 1940); 19 C.J.S. 883 (copyright 1990)

    The United States government is NOT a foreign corporation with respect to its subsidiary 14th Amendment U.S. corporate "State of Iowa" while this corporation "State" that is "of Iowa" does business with corporate franchisee U.S. citizens in Iowa, all beyond the scope of law and taking no cognizance of law; but taking only cognizance of statutes.

    In 114 U.S. 270 - Poindexter v. Greenhow the Supreme Court opined regarding a state and its government, to wit: "In the discussion of such questions, the distinction between the government of a state and the state itself is important, and should be observed. . . . This distinction is essential to the idea of constitutional government. To deny it or blot it out obliterates the line of demarcation that separates constitutional government from absolutism. . . "

    "There is no federal general common law" pursuant to Erie Railroad v. Thompkins. And in 1933 when all the governors went to D.C., all the governments of the states were flipped into conducting business as if insular possessions of the United States to circumvent or abrogate the mandates of the "gold and silver coin" clause of Article I, Section 10. As insular possessions of the United States, Article I, Section 10 does not place any restraits whatsoever upon FDR's New Deal U.S. "State" that is "of Iowa." The State of Iowa has no just powers to enforce any statute identified in Iowa Code Section 4.2 UNLESS it is one of the 14th Amendment U.S. States "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." All personal jurisdiction for enforcement of statutes that are in derogation of law comes from the guy people see when they look in a mirror. The secret key is realizing and understanding EXACTLY HOW they obtain "consent of the governed." If not obtained prior to being charged with violation of a statute, consent is obtained with a defendant's "general appearance" after being charged with violation of a statute identified in Iowa Code 4.2. From that point on the statutes are "strictly construed" in the State's court After a general appearance the defendant is basically dead in the water unless he can somehow win on trial of the facts. The defendant, in a jury trial, will be held in contempt of court if he then brings law before the jury. The defendant agreed to the plaintiff's alleged law as being valid law at the arraignment with plea, or with the defendant being there "In general" while refusing to enter a plea.

    People nearly always try to build an estate for their heirs and not their neighbors kids. The Preamble is very specific that the Constitution is "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to" the Framers of the Constitution and THEIR posteriy. Claiming to be a sovereign U.S. citizen who is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is an oxymoron like a virgin whore.

    The Social Security Number absolutely solidifies the status of a person being a 14th Amendment "subject" of the corporate U.S. jurisdiction. With respect to claiming rights, Black's Law Dictionary indicates, "Estoppel is or may be based upon acceptance of benefits." Rhoads v. Greatly 347 MO 397

    Al Barcroft is the only one that makes any sense out of this mess that everybody is in:

    and starting at about 22 minutes
  7. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I like peeling bananas and (occasionally) people.

    Yep. Yep. Yep. They slide the slave collar on so very smoothly by just arranging that the slave ask for it all unknowing.

    It all boils down to one simple statement:

    "Candy, little girl?"

    (But you have to say it really sinister to get the full effect.)
  8. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It wasn't about the workers. A corporation once served a purpose, to provide a service which otherwise couldn't be carried out. A great example is to build roads or other valuable infrastructure. A corporation wasn't permanent. Individual business, on the other hand, can be carried on in perpetuity, as individual proprietorship isn't the same as an incorporated enterprise, or especially a corporate cartel.
    History lesson on corporations:

    An additional historical perspective:

    History of Corporations

    When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

    Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:

    • Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
    • Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
    • Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
    • Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
    • Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
    • Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
    For 100 years after the American Revolution, legislators maintained tight control of the corporate chartering process. Because of widespread public opposition, early legislators granted very few corporate charters, and only after debate. Citizens governed corporations by detailing operating conditions not just in charters but also in state constitutions and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited from taking any action that legislators did not specifically allow.

    States also limited corporate charters to a set number of years. Unless a legislature renewed an expiring charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets were divided among shareholders. Citizen authority clauses limited capitalization, debts, land holdings, and sometimes, even profits. They required a company’s accounting books to be turned over to a legislature upon request. The power of large shareholders was limited by scaled voting, so that large and small investors had equal voting rights. Interlocking directorates were outlawed. Shareholders had the right to remove directors at will.

    In Europe, charters protected directors and stockholders from liability for debts and harms caused by their corporations. American legislators explicitly rejected this corporate shield. The penalty for abuse or misuse of the charter was not a plea bargain and a fine, but dissolution of the corporation.

    In 1819 the U.S. Supreme Court tried to strip states of this sovereign right by overruling a lower court’s decision that allowed New Hampshire to revoke a charter granted to Dartmouth College by King George III. The Court claimed that since the charter contained no revocation clause, it could not be withdrawn. The Supreme Court’s attack on state sovereignty outraged citizens. Laws were written or re-written and new state constitutional amendments passed to circumvent the (Dartmouth College v Woodward) ruling. Over several decades starting in 1844, nineteen states amended their constitutions to make corporate charters subject to alteration or revocation by their legislatures. As late as 1855 it seemed that the Supreme Court had gotten the people’s message when in Dodge v. Woolsey it reaffirmed state’s powers over “artificial bodies.”

    But the men running corporations pressed on. Contests over charter were battles to control labor, resources, community rights, and political sovereignty. More and more frequently, corporations were abusing their charters to become conglomerates and trusts. They converted the nation’s resources and treasures into private fortunes, creating factory systems and company towns. Political power began flowing to absentee owners, rather than community-rooted enterprises.

    The industrial age forced a nation of farmers to become wage earners, and they became fearful of unemployment–a new fear that corporations quickly learned to exploit. Company towns arose. and blacklists of labor organizers and workers who spoke up for their rights became common. When workers began to organize, industrialists and bankers hired private armies to keep them in line. They bought newspapers to paint businessmen as heroes and shape public opinion. Corporations bought state legislators, then announced legislators were corrupt and said that they used too much of the public’s resources to scrutinize every charter application and corporate operation.

    Government spending during the Civil War brought these corporations fantastic wealth. Corporate executives paid “borers” to infest Congress and state capitals, bribing elected and appointed officials alike. They pried loose an avalanche of government financial largess. During this time, legislators were persuaded to give corporations limited liability, decreased citizen authority over them, and extended the duration of charters.

    Attempts were made to keep strong charter laws in place, but with the courts applying legal doctrines that made protection of corporations and corporate property the center of constitutional law, citizen sovereignty was undermined. As corporations grew stronger, government and the courts became easier prey. They freely reinterpreted the U.S. Constitution and transformed common law doctrines.

    One of the most severe blows to citizen authority arose out of the 1886 Supreme Court case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. Though the court did not make a ruling on the question of “corporate personhood,” thanks to misleading notes of a clerk, the decision subsequently was used as precedent to hold that a corporation was a “natural person.” This story was detailed in “The Theft of Human Rights,” a chapter in Thom Hartmann’s recommended book Unequal Protection.

    From that point on, the 14th Amendment, enacted to protect rights of freed slaves, was used routinely to grant corporations constitutional “personhood.” Justices have since struck down hundreds of local, state and federal laws enacted to protect people from corporate harm based on this illegitimate premise. Armed with these “rights,” corporations increased control over resources, jobs, commerce, politicians, even judges and the law.

    A United States Congressional committee concluded in 1941, “The principal instrument of the concentration of economic power and wealth has been the corporate charter with unlimited power….”

    Many U.S.-based corporations are now transnational, but the corrupted charter remains the legal basis for their existence. At Reclaim Democracy!, we believe citizens can reassert the convictions of our nation’s founders who struggled successfully to free us from corporate rule in the past. These changes must occur at the most fundamental level — the U.S. Constitution. -LINK-
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  9. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    The founding fathers were very suspicious of giving corporate charters out for anything but for public works of limited scope with a limited lifespan. Usually these structures involved unlimited liability which was a strong incentive not to screw up it's public obligations to the community that the chartered company profits from.

    The founding fathers would be mortified to witness the monster that some corporations have become. They were certainly aware of the potentially abusive nature that corporations have within them.
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  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Agreed. And I hope this history lesson has been informative for everybody. I know I enjoy a refresher course every once in a while!
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  11. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    @Tikka @Brokor

    The subject is not in violation of the site CoC. However, it is apt to get heated, loaded down as it is or soon will be, with discussions and endless discourse on political corporations. Have at it, folks, if it gets too heated, we'll just move it to a hotter place.
  12. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

    It is funny the people one will meet in the course of a day.. A closed, small store, that one happened to notice on a Sunday afternoon and decides to have a look at next time they are in town.. I stopped and had a chat with the owner and the results are below..

    Edit; There are good speech’s by George Carlan and Kennedy ...

    Here's a link that adds a bump to this thread.. The pertinent parts begins at 1:23:41

    And here is the organic Act of 1871

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Jun 4, 2016
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  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    The link is only 115.25 long. Has it been altered?
  14. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

    It is 2 shows.. first part was live and the last part was taped.. 1:55:... long...
  15. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

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  16. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    bout time we revoked someone's corporate status.
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