The voices in my head.

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by chelloveck, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Whilst trawling through the library of Australian Broadcasting Corporation's podcasts, I discovered a podcast dealing with intrusive thoughts and voice hearing. It's an interesting subject and a fascinating exploration into the field of neuro-psychology.

    Podcast download:
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  2. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    I can deal with the voices in my head...It's the ones in the wall that keep me up at night!
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  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I used to try to ignore the voices in my head, I knew they weren't real....But then I realized they made so damned much sense.
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  4. fmhuff

    fmhuff Monkey+++

    Ummm, I suppose you think we're all jealous because the voices are speaking to you instead of us? You do don't you?
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  5. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    No. Not at all. Most people have some kind of internal dialogue going on in their head... some call that voice God. I'm no more jealous of other folks' God voices than others are jealous of the parliament debating in my head.
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  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    They have meds for that, at least that's what the voices tell me!
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  7. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    This thread may be an unusual topic for a Prepping site, but it is, according to the researchers featured in the podcast, suggested that some 4% or more of the general population experience / perceive intrusive voices and / or sounds to some extent in their daily life. In the event of a societal breakdown...and even if society trundles along as is...the odds are that you will at some time or other come across someone who hears voices.

    I guess it's easy to treat the issue flippantly, but it's worth knowing that there are resources available to assist those for whom hearing voices is disruptive to the quality of their life. This has been a public service announcement.

    For more information:

    Hearing Voices Network USA

    In Your Head: Hearing Voices | Psychology Today
  8. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    The subject is reasonable for consideration, particularly on a prepper site, I believe. "Particularly," because any disruption to societal norms is certainly going to exacerbate the existing difficulties that many struggle to cope with, on a daily basis, even while enjoying a "normal" lifestyle.

    These people, when confronted with the fact that the world as they knew it has ceased to exist, will begin to exhibit a host of psychological symptoms, as a means of coping. These folks may be strangers, or neighbors; or even family or team members, who had previously seemed well adjusted. Stress can do funny things to people.

    I've seen it happen on military deployments. I went to sea with a fellow SNCO some years back, a friend of mine, who seemed to be the most well adjusted fellow you could imagine - married, children, well-educated, fifteen years in the Marine Corps; and he snapped the first week out. Nothing violent, or lunatic; he just stopped talking. He would refuse to verbally acknowledge anyone; be they friend, superior, or subordinate. He would just look at you with a vacant expression, and walk away. He reverted to an earlier position, and set of work skills; he went from being the Operations Chief (an E-7/8 billet) to a linguist (an E-3/4 billet). Instead of taking his position at the intelligence reporting desk, one morning he walked over to an empty chair in front of a collection position, and began to work. He would collect information, transcribe it, translate it, and drop it on the reporter's desk, and return to his seat, without uttering a sound. I, as assistant Ops Chief, took over his duties; and we simply had an extra intelligence collector.

    We all debated what to do about the situation, but since he was still functioning at an intellectually high level, and had made no threatening gestures or comments concerning his own safety or that of anyone else, we decided to let it play out. One afternoon, after three months, I was getting dressed, preparing to go on for the afternoon shift, and he turned to me and said - "You want to grab some lunch before watch?" I about fell out. I gathered myself and said "sure." We grabbed some lunch and made our way to the work space. He walked in, sat down at the supervisor's desk, and carried on with the duties commensurate with his billet of Operations Chief. He didn't mention his three-month-long vacation from reality, and none of us did either.

    I think you see a similar situation when people have to deal with grief, as in the death of a loved one. People will often busy themselves with mindless tasks - washing dishes, cutting grass, cleaning the house, cooking; whatever it takes to make it through the day. I believe that in a post SHTF world, we will see this type of behavior writ large upon the society as a whole - people trying to act as though nothing is wrong. It is worth considering the fact that some of the people you intend to count upon to be leaders and decision-makers within a family unit or team, may not be up to the task, either temporarily or permanently. Maybe they will just check out of reality, and downgrade their functionality, or maybe they will start hearing voices. Do you have a "Plan-B?" Now is a better time to consider these possibilities than later.
  9. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Thankyou for a thoughtful and well reasoned reply.
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  10. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    In addition, we have another thread about if you would be here now without medication. Post SHTF, those who need them, are not likely to be getting them. Including those drugs that keep some people on track.
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  11. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I have been watching this thread for a while now, and finally have something to say. I haven't really thought about "Voices in My Head" seriously before, but I have worried about "Voices in others Heads" for some time. After some serious contemplation, I have decided that We ALL, have "Voices in our Heads" to some extent or another, if we are sane Sentient Beings. The difference comes in what those "Voices" are "Saying", and if we are "Listening " to them, or in some cases "Acting" on what they are Saying.

    Now for Me, yes there is "That Still Small Voice" that speaks to guide Me away from Danger. (If you do that, it will bite you in your A$$) Also the "Voice of Conscious" that keeps me from committing MANY serious Social Blunders. It is MY Belief, that these are given to Me, by MY GOD, as his Communications Channel back to Me, in which Inspiration is imparted. I also recognize that there are plenty of other "Voices" that would lead Me down, many Very Bad Paths, and Roads, should I listen and act on their prompts, and demands. These are very destructive, to my Soul, as well as any temporal activity that I might consider, shouldI decide to Act on their Promptings.

    I believe Mental Illness, in some part, is when a Human, finds these destructive type "Voices" louder, and more pervasive, than the other voices, or there are no other "Voices" speaking any longer, or never were in existence., in the first place. Some of these Folks can be helped by MEDs, but many choose to go UnMedicated, simply because they do Feel Restrained by the MEDs. I have no issue with that course, EXCEPT when by their ACTIONS, they break the Social Norms set by Society, and therefor must be restrained by that Society, for its own Safety, and the Personal Safety of the Individual. If they choose to leave the Society, and live apart from it, then I really do NOT care what they do, or what "Voices" they Listen to, and Act upon. Then it becomes None of My Business..... ...... YMMV....
  12. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Am of the belief that IF you have accepted Jesus as your personal savior then The Holy Spirit is as big a part of your being as you allow Him to be. The indwelling of the HS is a real and vibrant part of a believer's life--if we allow it. Trouble is with me I keep letting other forces lead me to do things/say things/go places that I should not. If one is not a believer in the gift of Jesus's life then it does not make them a bad person--just puts one at "arm's length" from guidance from above. Hope any reading this will consider that relationship for their life's journey.
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  13. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Let's not let this thread diverge into something best suited to the F&R forum. The basic precept of mental health should stay in Survival Medicine.
  14. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    -06's post does touch upon a relevant element in any discussion of mental illness, I believe; in that people need something to hold onto. It is my thought that the primary issue underlying the difficulties that many of our military veterans suffer is the fact that they feel that they have nothing to hold onto. Repeated deployments can render "the real world" seemingly ingenuine, and unimportant. These veterans have formed bonds of loyalty with their fellow service members, they have developed their military skills to a fine art, they are respected within their units, and they have a purpose. They exit the military, and all of that evaporates. Their new reality is the ingenuine, unimportant world that they eschewed while in uniform. The idea of working an eight to five job, running a cash register or shuffling papers, seems ridiculous. So many of them drift, purposeless, and directionless.

    Anyway, the point that I'm trying to get at with my rambling is that we may want to consider possible remedies for a family member, or team member, mentally checking out during a societal disruption. It is my thought that helping to provide a purpose for that individual may be that remedy. If someone is no longer capable of functioning at their normal level, providing them with simple tasks which they are able to complete may be a good short term fix. A longer term fix may be helping them find a larger purpose. For many of us, the larger purpose that keeps us connected to this world may be our children or grandchildren. For others, it may be our careers. For others, it may be logic and reason; and for others, it might be religious belief.
  15. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I agree with every thing you said Tuli except the last line. It seems to imply that logic and reason and religious belief are mutually exclusive. They are not, but that aside, I have seen many people whose faith sustained them in devastating circumstances and helped them to cope with dire times. For many in a SHTF world or any major life upset situation the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness can be debilitating.
    Many detractors claim that faith is a crutch, but if you have a broken leg a crutch is a mighty good thing to have. No matter what your faith system is, in a deity, in mankind, in science, or in karma, it can be a significant tool in ones survival arsenal. To know, or believe that there is an order and a purpose to things is a comforting belief, and the belief that there is a divine hand that is ultimately guiding all things can sustain one in the most grim and dire times.
    I'm reminded of the survival maxim of the law of three's; you can live 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food, 3 months without hope.
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  16. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    My problem is that some folk lean so heavily upon the church, that they can not stand alone. I had neighbors who tithed to their church more than was wise in their financial situation. why? because that was the percentage they were told was their due pledge. They always had trouble paying their bills, lost a car to the bank, and lost a furnace in the middle of the winter, and had to BORROW from their church to get them out of a hole. They gave so much, they created their own hardship case, and COULD NOT recover on their own. They created their own dependency.
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  17. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    We're talking two completely different things. Your talking about religion, I'm talking about faith. Faith is the belief in something outside yourself, religion is mans expression of that faith. Religion is created by man and therefore as flawed and corrupted as man. Tithing to a church is not going to help you in a survival situation, faith that god is on control, or that mankind will prevail, or science will come up with a solution etc will see you through. Even faith in your self, your own abilities and skills can make the difference in a life and death situation.
    Ones mental health is as important, if not more so, than ones physical health in a dire and threatening situation. Especially a long term SHTF survival situation. So Tuli's argument that ones faith, or belief system is relevant to that discussion is a valid point.
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  18. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Well, you are right to separate the two. church and faith. I hold to my beliefs, but I haven't set foot in a church other than a few weddings, since my own wedding. I would agree it is people who flaw the church, in general.
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Does anyone have a logical reason why this thread should not be moved to F&R?
  20. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    sorry, forgot the OP. My bad.:oops:
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