There's No "Voting Out" the next Civil War

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OldDude49, Mar 24, 2019.

  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    an opinion piece by ThePatriotNurse

  2. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    the lady does have a point. Not one that I'm enamored of, but I think she's right.
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  3. deMolay

    deMolay Monkey+

    Beat me to it, by the way I think she is right. It is fairly obvious with what we saw in Russiagate there is one law for the Elite and another for the Little People.
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  4. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

  5. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    also someones eval... from... seems... he is widely read?

    and their opinions show in the eval... although they seem to think he knows what he's talkin about... so?

    "Before we dive into the review, a short disclaimer. This book is written from the perspective of a white American male. Martino is clearly in favor of [democratic] empire and is equally clear is his opposition to environmental policies, left-wing organizations, and revolutionary groups in general. These are clear drawbacks to this work."

    About Deep Green Resistance Eugene - Deep Green Resistance Eugene


    A Valuable Manual for Armed Resistance

    For resistance forces to have any chance at success in the fight against the ecocidal corporate state and forces aligned with white supremacy and misogyny, they must be skilled. It is with this skilling in mind that we review the book “Resistance to Tyranny” by Joseph P. Martino.

    Dr. Martino is a retired Air Force Colonel. He served in Thailand where he conducted research on counterinsurgency. He later was Chairman of the Counterinsurgency Working Group of the Military Operations Research Society. He teaches a course in Just War Doctrine at Yorktown University. He holds degrees in Physics, Electrical Engineering and Mathematics.

    Before we dive into the review, a short disclaimer. This book is written from the perspective of a white American male. Martino is clearly in favor of [democratic] empire and is equally clear is his opposition to environmental policies, left-wing organizations, and revolutionary groups in general. These are clear drawbacks to this work.

    Setting aside ideological disagreements, “Resistance to Tyranny” is a valuable primer for resistance movements of any bent. The titles of each chapter provide an idea of the breadth of topics covered.

    • Why Armed Resistance
    • Probability of Success
    • Government Response
    • Strategy and Tactics
    • The Big Picture
    • Overt and Covert Resistance
    • Personal Weapons
    • Personal Equipment
    • Survival Skills
    • Land Navigation
    • Camouflage & Concealment
    • Boobytraps
    • Weapons Caching
    • Logistics
    • Training
    • Secure Camps
    • Safe Houses and Secure Areas
    • Communications
    • Encryption and Codes
    • Getting Your Story Out
    • Attack and Defense
    • Ambushes
    • Sniping and Counter-Sniping
    • Assassination
    • Sabotage
    • Raids
    • Strategic Intelligence
    • Tactical Intelligence
    • Counterintelligence
    • Lives, Fortunes, and Sacred Honor
    Clearly, this is a broad range of topics. Books, courses, and entire careers of expertise can be built around any one of these topics. Therefore, the information in this book is more of a primer than a detailed exploration. Martino does, however, provide a great many examples from real-world resistance movements—both successful and unsuccessful, both left wing and right wing.

    “The provisional IRA had only 150-200 members on active service, with about 50 running daily operations. It had about an additional 800 providing safe houses, intelligence, and supplies. It was organized into cells of 4 to 10 members. Only the leaders knew the leaders of other cells.”

    [​IMG]There are advantages to brevity. The introductory nature of this text makes it ideal for readers with a relatively low amount of practical knowledge around physical resistance. Topics introduced in this book can be explored in more depth via other sources of information and training. The book includes references to a wide variety of such sources.

    “The armed wing of a resistance movement has three functions: to survive, to survive, and to survive. So long as it exists in the field and can strike effectively, the government has not won.”

    While the book is not perfect, it is an excellent introduction. We recommend that every member, ally, and supporter of Deep Green Resistance purchase this book and consider its lessons.

    “What do we mean by the [American] revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 – 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington.”

    John Adams (as quoted by Martino)

    “Perhaps the most important role of strategy is a negative one — to avoid anything, no matter how attractive it may seem at the time, that would hinder achieving the goal, or divert resources away from the goal. Every action taken by the resistance movement must be viewed in the light of the overall strategy. Does it further that strategy? Does it bring the goal nearer? Does it in any way create problems that will make achieving the goal more difficult (e.g., by antagonizing some important element of the population)?”

    Book Review: “Resistance Against Tyranny” by Joseph P. Martino
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  6. Illini Warrior

    Illini Warrior Illini Warrior

    the nurse needs to stick to her old prepper gig - the US isn't some 3rd World banana republic or an african hellhole - the US isn't going to be run by the muzzle of guns and calling it a civil war - the current status is going to held at the voting booths just like it was won in 2016 - keep splitting the vote or not voting because some guy isn't your idea of the "perfect" candidate - sometimes a compromise is needed and better than the other guy has to be good enough for right now ...

    IF there was EVER going to be a civil war in this country it would have happened 2008-2016 >>> especially 2012 to 2016 when Obammy was in his "don't give a shit" part of his terror reign ....
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  7. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    I would hope that cooler heads will prevail. We need more vets to get into teaching through troops to teacher program. Let’s take a page from the libs playbook and reeducate the young.
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  8. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    IW, I sure hope you're right. I just saw Trevor Loudon's "The Enemies Within" produced in 2015 I think, at any rate, it was chilling and the idea of voting our way out of this mess will be difficult at best. The video is on Prime for those that are members. If S 7 is passed and signed, I sure hope someone challenges it in court because that certainly is a greased slippery slope.
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  9. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    In my mind we are rapidly approaching the African, Cuban, Nazi, etc, model of democracy, one last vote to put some particular group in charge, and then all following votes are meaningless and the powers that be drive the country into either constant war or utter poverty and only after the collapse can real democracy emerge from the ruins. With the promises to the poor,the rich being demons, immigration, legal and otherwise, control of the educational system, the rapid shift in culture and population to the non-whites, and classification of any opposition as hate speech, I see no way of maintaining the status quo and even less chance of regaining the old system. Have no idea what the solution may be, but as a child I visited cousins on the reservation, so I have a very good idea what losing the battle will bring forth. I know that armed resistance didn't work out well for the Lakota and I hope our long term solution is not to end up as a tolerated minority living in some slum on either a reservation or in Minneapolis - Saint Paul.
    I sometimes wonder if the lefts love affair with the problem is that many of the liberal whites hope to end up as "house ni****s" and at least live out their lives in relative comfort until their multicultural children are absorbed into the system.
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  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    When are you “Democracy” folks going to Wake Up and realise that Democracy can NEVER happen, if Humans are involved... Human Nature is totally against this Utopian Dream.... There has never been a Democracy, as a Nation State, that has. ever lasted more than two generations, and there never will be... Human Greed ALWAYS gets in the way...
  11. Oddcaliber

    Oddcaliber Monkey+++

    The way I see it is that a war is coming but it won't be civil.
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  12. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Well, I never heard of these 'Deep Green Eugene Resistance Chapter' characters but reading their, "For resistance forces to have any chance at success in the fight against the ecocidal corporate state and forces aligned with white supremacy and misogyny, they must be skilled" it certainly sounds like - yep - they're looney-tunes! Fruitcakes! Whackos!

    As far as the nurse, nothing new there... We haven't voted ourselves anything better for a long, long time...and I don't think we ever will again. Frankly, it was proven by a study in Princeton that no matter what we vote for it never happens, in short, our vote really doesn't count. Nevertheless, the burning question remains, what will you, me, everyone do when they ban semi-automatic firearms? I don't think it is question of 'if' but 'when' because sooner or later they is coming, in this she is correct.
  13. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    you mean like California seems to be becoming?
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  14. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    we don't have a democracy... never did...

    I can remember when the nightly news used to try and correct that...

    now they seem to promote it?
  15. Illini Warrior

    Illini Warrior Illini Warrior

    I laugh at HOW oblivious the sheeple general population is to what is going down in the Middle East - it's going to hit some of these people like a ton of bricks ....
  16. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    The patriot nurse, why well versed in my opinion is slightly off the mark.( or wrong)
    And here is 5 reasons why.
    1. We may have many guns, and ammo but we are unorganized, and the majority are unfamiliar with any other forms of communication then what they are plugged into. Meaning if we had a Civil War Monday, it would be over Tuesday.
    2. Who exactly would one have a war with, Congress and the Senate would go into hiding and run the country 10 floors under ground. So whom exactly would one fight. If its the military that fight is also over on Tuesday.
    3. Our military is one of the only fully self contained entities in our government with stock piles that would last 100+ years.
    4. If there is a Civil war, it will not be one gun owners instigated, meaning all organization is lost see (1.)
    5. If it came down to it, most would not rise up, those that did would become martyrs, maybe.

    It will come down one thing and one thing only, will the Military for the people stand down in a civil war? Would they realize the people run the military and would they over throw the government themselves as the people's militia ?
    This right here will tell whether a war would occur........................ other then that how does one win and secure a
    country wall to wall people, and resources.
  17. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    It doesn’t, and it would NOT be over by Tuesday, that is a given... Even our .MIL can NOT get out of it’s own way that fast... The spoolup for even a Brigade would be a week... let alone a Division... and. what makes you think our .MIL would accept such a Mission, to round up their fellow Citizens, in the first Place... Then there is the Patriot & 3% Folks, and our friends in the MSM, where would they come down on which side or who that side would be...
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  18. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    We can hypothetical this to death, but until it actually happens, we dont have much of a clue to go on!
    I wish I had saved the written scenario i read a few years ago, it basically broke it down into bite size chunks that not only made sense, but could be the most likely result given where we are today! The writer was former Mil and understood not only the arts of war fighting, but every thing else thay follows like insurgencies, gorilla warfare, and the like! He also correctly points out that like all conflicts, the numbers of people doing the actual fighting are always very small, and the 3% is the standard number often quoted! How any of this plays out is just a guess, but i would think what that writer said would be how it would play, in fact, i would bet on it!
    If i do run across that again, i will be sure to post it up!
  19. BenP

    BenP Monkey++

    You seem certain, please explain.

    I can see Russia backing Iran and Syria in a war with Israel and the US coming to the aid of Israel. That would be a long supply line from the US.

    Russia might be able to convince (probably not) the little guy in NK to light off an EMP above the US once we were fully engaged in Israel to further strain our resources. I am not convinced this would do the advertised damage but at a minimum we would be forced to fight 2 simultaneous wars, one against a Russia proxy and one against a China proxy.
    China could take Taiwan once we were fully engaged in Israel to further strain our resources, though, I don't think we would do anything about it.
    Iran could attack Saudi Arabia while Syria attacked Israel, both with the support of Russia.

    There are an endless combination of bad scenarios for us right now on a military front but the truth is that we are our worst enemy. Russia and China only need to sit and wait for us to implode under our own debt. They might use one of these scenarios to speed things along and put the final nail in our financial coffin but we are going down regardless. I think their end goal is conquest and when we are nearing financial ruin they will make their moves to take the territories they are after.
  20. I am not too worried about Russia or China using EMP against America. More likely it would be North Korea or Iran. Reason being is simple. U.S. , Russia, and China, Spend much time on Nuclear war gaming. And all 3, Must know the dangers of posable Melt downs with our power plants. Approx. 450 active nuclear power plants world wide. ( 126 in U.S. last I checked) Add to that about 250 research reactors world wide. ( 27 in U.S. last I heard.) A 20 to 30 megaton EMP 100 mi. above the surface near the center of the U.S. (for maximum carregon (sp?) effect) would not only knock out almost all electrical production in the U.S.. But would very likely make the large generators used to power the circulation pumps in our reactors, worthless. No cooling circulation? And the nuclear cores in the power plants would continue to heat up to the point of meltdown. even after the rods went into the graphite blocks. Russia and China also know that any such attack by them would bring about an instant nuclear attack on them that they cant stop. Remember we, like them have nuclear subs with ICBM's. when fired off their coast? There is no time to target and destroy the incoming missiles. Iran? Their crazy, and would consider death of themselves as a good thing, as long as they destroy us. N Korea? I don't really think they have thought it all out. But U.S. , Russia, and China? Any nuclear war between any of us, would mean total destruction of life on the planet.
    Just my opinion....
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