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  1. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    I have not confirmed this yet. Just came in as an email. Some of you may want to check this out, but does make sense to me at the moment.

    Sent: 11/14/2010 6:17:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time
    Subj: Fw: Fresno

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    We now live about 30 miles from Fresno. We are up in the Sierras and Fresno is the first big town we encounter when we leave the mtns. We shop there often. I received this from my ex-homicide partner who is still active in law enforcement circles in the Fresno area.

    Excuse the language, but don't excuse the facts. Don't give up your guns, and buy necessary ammunition if you can find it. Be cautious and alert. Be ready if, God forbid, we need to protect our families and loved ones.

    If you weren't at Rotary meeting on Friday, you missed the only decent speaker we've had in more than a year. LTC John Cotter is the 144th Fighter Wing's antiterrorism officer. John had a two-part presentation. First part was describing his job as the unit’s antiterrorism officer. Pretty standard stuff.

    The second part was information that will curl your hair. A Part-time air guardsman works as a checker at local Von's. Two women in full burkas buy every pre-paid cellphone in the store. Clerk/airman gets to thinking about it. Goes to Cotter and reports incident. Cotter asks store for surveillance video. It's scary enough that he contacts Fresno FBI.

    FBI investigates and determines these women have been doing this all over the Valley. Cell phones shipped through Canada to Iraq/Afghanistan where they become triggers for roadside bombs.

    The Shell station at Peach and Shaw. Every time a local GI goes there in fatigues they are asked specific questions. What is your unit? When are you deploying? How many aircraft are you taking?

    The F-16s out of Fresno fly CAP for west coast. As such they are the first line of defense so they have the US 's most sophisticated air-to-air missiles. Foreign governments would like to get their hands on those missiles or at least learn how to build them. Also how many we have, etc. Two spy groups are working on it, one based at Fashion Fair Mall (the F-16s take-off pattern) and one based at Sierra Vista Mall (the F-16s landing pattern).

    Cotter said the ragheads (But we don't profile) are always probing the base. Two dorks in a pickup show up at the front gate wanting to deliver a package marked Air National Guard, Fresno. No postage, no UPS, no FedEx, no DHL, no nothing. Just a probe.

    I asked Cotter why we haven't seen anything about this in The Bee, on KMJ, on local TV news. He said they're not interested. Since Friday I've learned of two other things. My brother-in-law, Frank, (management at Avaya) had a Muslim tech who took a leave-of-absence for 6 weeks in Afghanistan. After the 6 weeks were up he called from New York requesting an extension. Frank (who does profile) said, you're fired, and called the Fresno FBI who were very interested. Don't know the outcome.

    A Muslim who owns a liquor store in my former hometown of Kingsburg was constantly bugging customers to buy guns for him. Finally one of the guys I grew up with called the FBI.

    We are a country at war and the enemy is among us. I don't care what Janet Napolitano says, it's a fight to the death and we should be prepared as possible. Brother-in-law Frank has a theory and I think it may be closer to the truth than Homeland Security wants to admit. There are a certain number (probably a large number) of Muslims among us who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can, sort of a Fort Hood on steroids. I know I'm getting prepared to shoot back.

    Two items of interest: Sheriff Margaret Mims wants to grant concealed carry permits to all who are qualified. Columnist Jim Boren, among the most bleeding of the bleeding heart liberals, says it's time for Fresno residents to arm themselves. LOAD up, you can bet this is happening in places other than Fresno.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]

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    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]I was asked to send this to everyone in my address book. Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT forward it! To those I say, “Get you head out of the sand and look around with an open mind or before you know it we will no longer be living in the land of the free and the brave![/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]

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  2. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    1. a devout muslim would never run a liquor store
    2. female jihadi's are allowed to not wear burqa's during ops.
  3. Joseph Thomas

    Joseph Thomas Monkey+

    Scary, But doesn't surprise me one bit. I don't know authentic this e-mail is but it doesn't really matter. If anyone doesn't think the jihadi's have a grand plan they are very wrong. Remember the shock of 911 when you first found out what had happened. Now imagine how this country will be rocked when there are simultaneous massacres at schools, shopping malls, offices, downtown streets all over this country. Our response? Probably a super duper Patriot Act on steroids that will not accomplish anything except to enslave us even more. Because we can't profile you know. All I know is that if it is happening around me someone is going down if I'm still around. Good Luck all. I truly think we are going to need it.
  4. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    The email is completely bogus. However, the seriousness of the message it contains is very real.
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    As most of these internet spread stories are bogus but they illustrate an underlying fear and what makes them scary is the real possibility of the scenarios.

    I worked on the Tex Mex border for several years and in a thread on here about my experiences I posted this chart from a local newspaper. The McAllen texas area of the border recorded the most OTM (other than mexican) captures. In a 6 month period in 2005 of 250 captures 11 were from Saudi Arabia, 30 Iranians, 11 afghans, and 30 Iraqi's. But the most OTM's were from the Phillipines, India and Pakistan. Scary stuff!
  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    It would be wrong from a security standpoint to assume anything hard and fast such as these two assumptions. That would be like wearing blinders to limit your field of view and going into combat....... JMHO
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Since the "terrorists" are mostly controlled, funded, and protected by the CIA and the FBI, it would be best to prepare for the worst. I wouldn't get involved unless I knew local LEO's personally, since quite a few people have received one way tickets to Cuba over less. Even more important, what the heck are you doing in California anyway? You might as well live in China.
  8. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    These aren't assumptions. These are known facts. In the context of jihad, anything goes. I was just trying to point out items that red flagged this email. Believe me, Robert Spencer is "The Man" when it comes to this stuff and I've read his blog for a long time.
  9. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    This and other emails like it run through the net from time to time. I usually cut and paste the first paragraph into Google to see where else it's been posted. Seems this one's been going around for a few years.

    Sounds like the beginning to a new Clancy novel ;)
  10. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Not another BS hoax e-mail???

    Oh dear….another crap fear mongering Bull Sh!te phony e-mail.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" />

    Why post an unverified , suspiciously hoax e-mail, without going to the trouble of checking it out first???? In the meanwhile the gullible goatles will bleat , bleat , bleat that the perfidious burqa wearing Islamist harridans are cornering the mobile ‘phone market in Fresno, so that they can post them overseas to their mates who are totally incapable of obtaining them from anywhere else in the world but California….Jeeez…give me a break.

    Without even checking out snopes or any of the other internet hoax exposing sites, it is quite evident from not much more than a casual look at the e-mail that it is almost complete and utter Bull’s crappola.

    The red flag elements of the e-mail are:


    The end-line “David Rayburn

    I was asked to send this to everyone in my address book. Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT forward it! To those I say, “Get you head out of the sand and look around with an open mind or before you know it we will no longer be living in the land of the free and the brave!”

    My assessment is that the author of this drivel hoax e-mail wants every gullible goatle to swallow the lies, half-truths and deceptions uncritically and without checking out the veracity of the information conveyed in it.

    The target audience having swallowed the hoax-turd, so beautifully wrapped in gold foil, tinsel and glitter, the end-line exhorts the target dupe, to then pass it on to others who are of a like mind who aren’t blessed with all that too many neurons; and so, the viral hoax-mail will continue to spread and infect the minds of other gullible goatles. The end line is insidious in that it appeals to the “patriotism”, of the reader….and who does not wish to appear “patriotic”???
    Another clue that this e-mail is a hoax, is that it does not cite any verifiable published references. Certainly it drops the names of some “real” people, but as we will see….not is all that it is made to appear, by the hoax’s author.

    Like most effective propaganda…..and that is all that the hoax e-mail is…just a crude but reasonably cunningly effective piece of propaganda, the e-mail is “salted” with specs of the truth…and half-truth…..among the greater bulk of the barrel of sh!te. This dishonest technique is redolent of some fraudsters during the days of the gold rushes in the 1800’s attempting to sell phony gold mine claims, by firing a shotgun shell full of gold dust and nuggets into a worthless claim to give prospective buyers the impression that the claim is more valuable than it actually is.
    What are the verifiable facts
    1. LtCol John Cotter does actually exist, and he is apparently on the strength of the 144 Fighter Wing of the California Air National Guard…….however he is the Unit’s PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER, according to the 144 Fighter Wing’s journal Flight Lines’s 1<SUP>st</SUP> Quarter 2008 issue. (page 3). If you wish to verify WHAT he actually said at the Fresno Rotary meeting…I am sure that he will, as the unit’s Public Affairs Officer, be more than happy to fill you in. He can be contacted via
    5323 E. McKinley Ave.
    Fresno, CA 93727-2199
    Phone: 559-454-5154 / 5245
    DSN: 839-5154
    FAX: 559-453-5472
    you have the option of contacting him by ‘phone/landline, FAX, e-mail or snail-mail…….just take your pick…..I’m sure that he’d be happy to answer fan mail from any and every tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist in Fresno, or indeed the greater United States of America….it’s probably not that he has anything better to do.
    2 Apparently LtCol John G Cotter DID address a group of people at a Rotary meeting in Fresno, however, his address was limited to the Eagle Eye program which is featured on page 16 of the 144<SUP>th</SUP>’s “Flight Lines”Journal under the heading Antiterrorism – Eagle Eyes- “Eagle Eyes in action” You will note that the “Flight Line” journal article, rates prominence somewhere behind The 6th Annual California National Guard Teen Adventure Camp, a plug for H & R Block’s free tax service for the American Military, and the Journal’s Sudoko puzzle….that’s how concerned they are about a mob of mad burqa clad mahdists. Hmmmm it seems that in the latest available edition of “Flight Lines”, the E<DEL dateTime=2010-11-15T22:47 cite="mailto:Evalds">Ë</DEL>agle <INS dateTime=2010-11-15T22:44 cite="mailto:Evalds">Eyes program has been promoted to a quarter column on page 5.</INS> In the latest available edition of “Flight Lines”(Dec Quarter 2009)…and LtCol Cotter is STILL the unit’s Public Affairs Officer.

    The purported “second” part of LtCol Cotter’s supposed rant concerning “Rag Heads” is pure fiction. Having thrown a little “gold” for the goatles, the hoax e-mail’s author lays out a big steaming turd for the undiscerning reader to consume at their leisure: all on a big platter with a few other half-truths to season the lies with.

    Apparently Sheriff Margaret Mims does actually exist and she IS the Sheriff of Fresno County. If you want to verify that she has stated that she “wants to grant concealed carry permits to all who are qualified.” By all means ask her personally…her contact details are:

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    Phone Numbers

    Main Information - (559) 488-3939
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    Mailing Address
    Fresno Sheriff's Office
    2200 Fresno Street
    Fresno, California 93721

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    I am confident that her officers are busy enough fighting crime without touting for business, filling out concealed carry permit applications, though, she may be under some pressure to do so as a revenue raising option for the county….on the other hand, it may put her officers at some possible increased risk if every paranoid goatle gun nut has a concealed carry permit. I would suggest that she will perform her sworn duty to issue permits to those who apply for them whom satisfy the necessary qualifications for the issue of such a license.

    As to Jim Boren, he IS indeed, the Editorial writer for the Fresno Bee, and I must confess that I had some difficulty finding any reference to his stance on guns….the only law and order article I could find of his was an interview he had with Oakland Mayor and Democratic Party candidate for Attorney General, Jerry Brown. The article features Jim Boren laying into Jerry Brown with a metaphorical baseball bat on Brown’s law and order credentials…..hardly the image of a liberal journo, soft on socialistic Democrats.

    As to David Rayburn…..he seems to be a total random. If you can identify him and his e-mail address…send the steaming pack of stinking crap back to him with a copy of my post as an attachment.

    The crap contained in the hoax e-mail actually plays into the hands of Al Qaeda and similar terrorist organisations by:

    1. Encouraging xenophobic paranoia and over-reaction by American citizens,
    2. Encouraging racist treatment of law abiding American citizens of the Islamic faith,
    3. Encouraging sectarian hatred of law abiding American citizens of the Islamic faith,
    4. Distracting the resources of law enforcement and intelligence organisations, chasing phantoms and false positives, so that the real terrorists have more scope to hide their true intentions and operational activities.
    5. Giving political clout to Al Qaeda and others in the eyes of the Muslim world as the champion of oppressed Muslims,
    6. Diminishing the American military’s effectiveness and credibility, by portraying its spokespersons as racist fear mongers.

    Apparently the hoax e-mail’s author was unconcerned that he was defaming LtCol J. Cotter, Sheriff B. Mim and Mr J. Boren, but I guess they really don’t much care about other people’s reputations or the truth……the question is….do you??? Peddle the hoax e-mail forward, and I guess you will be just as irresponsble as the Author. I am sure that Dr Josef Goebbles, if he were alive today would be wetting himself laughing at the goatles that have swallowed the “This Must Be Read” e-mail, wrapping, glitter and tinsel with gusto.

    (My reference to goatles is to people who swallow anything put in front of them….a goat will eat just about everything, and anything).

    I am gratified that some people on this site have at least identified that the e-mail as a fraud, but that is tempered with the knowledge that some still buy the message very afraid...

    V. Chelloveck
  11. kryptic

    kryptic Monkey+

    It could very well be fake but its still better to be prepared and not give up your guns.
  12. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Ye Gods

    Nobody is asking anyone to give up their damned guns...or be unprepared for REAL as opposed to imagined threats....

    Be alert, but don't be PANICKED by Bullsh!t.

    The fake e-mail ends with the exhortation "...Get you head out of the sand and look around with an open mind..." to which I would reply by saying.....don't be so open minded that your brain falls out of your head.
  13. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Bingo! All the other stuff is static. Let it go.. you already know what's what for the most part... don't listen to the static..
  14. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Now I see how liberals are created! Thanks chelloveck. Hope you don't mind if I borrow that quote.
  15. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    You're welcome Righthand

    You are free to use the quote, though I can't honestly claim to be its originator....but you are also free to use the following quote, which IS a genuine Chelloveck original.

    "Don't be such a closed minded pinhead that your brain can't grow beyond the size of a few neurons"

    Now you will also understand how conservatives are created ; )
  16. Joseph Thomas

    Joseph Thomas Monkey+

    Yep the e-mail is bogus as I suspected when I posted. Doesn't change anything as I also said. Really Major Hassan "A soldier of Allah" wearing a U.S. Army uniform was just a statistical error as were the foureen people he murdered. But I guess I can't be open minded enough to accept that followers of a religion that wages jihad against anyone that doesn't follow their beliefs will easily and gladly assimilate into our culture.

    Sources: Al Qaeda eyes more Mumbai-style attacks -

    But this guy was head of German intelligence, so I guess he's probably allied with the CIA/FBI and their nefarious intent. Case closed. Won't broach this subject again with any true believers.
  17. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    LOL, I'm glad I checked out of the whole left vs right thing a long time ago. I'm a political hermaphrodite with a lean towards the kind of freedom we read about 200 years ago.
  18. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    A pox on both their houses sir!!

    I am always torn between amusement and bemusement when I see people throwing with abusement, the epithets "liberal"and "conservative" at each other as if the names, in themselves say all that needs to be known about one or other of the factions at either end of the spectrum. I think human beings are far more complex and subtle than that.

    What I said in my previous post as you will have probably appreciated, was delivered "deadpan" and tongue in cheek.

    I think that the difference between the arch liberal, with a mind so open, that their brains are seriously at risk of falling out of their brain pan, and the arch conservative closed minded pinhead, with far too few neurones than is healthy for them, or the world at so infinitesimally small, that the scintilla of difference is hardly worth quibbling about.

    I am the hated and loathed specie of voter, called the swinging voter, and no party can count on my vote until the moment that I actually cast it in the voting booth. Either side can win or lose my vote, up to the moment i put pencil to paper. We have an optional preferential voting system, and I give my vote in order of preference for ALL candidates....and considering that the upper house senate ballot paper resembles the banquet table cloth for an Amway convention, I take my civic duties conscientiously, rather than allowing the parties to determine where my preferences go by voting above the line, using the party ticket.

    There have been times when I have given my first preferences to minor parties or independants, and giving a much lower preference to my least worse preferred major party.

    My final preference is always my hardest decision....a choice usually between sectarian parties of different ilk, and parties that are neofascist, or blatantly racist. My last election was a novel experience, having the option of voting for a secular humanist party. My how things have changed.

    Edit: Oh...and by the way.....the name calling would have been just as vitriolic 200 years ago, as it is now....just that instead of "liberal" and "conservative".....they would be "Whigs" and "Tories"
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