Trouble Makers at the Wallstreet Protests

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Avarice, Sep 28, 2011.


  1. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    As it wasn't a saying I've ever heard I searched and it the title of a book (geez somehow I shudda known)..

    Authors:
    Rajan and Zingales both professors of finance at the University of Chicago's graduate school of business.
    :D

    My question is above and your answer is below.

    Your answer was so far away from what I asked I had to quote myself to see if I missed something...

    Mostly likely your source's people were landowners under the Czar; Kulaks who were enemies of the state; Lenin's description: ""bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine.” Anyhow it was the communists who took the Kulak's land.

    The state he mentions is the communists which was what I said way back when.

    Btw, implying Russian policy with one person's experience was rather cheesy.

    It is what "they" spent it on where we differ.

    ELABORATE WELFARE HOUSING PROJECT - YouTube

    Btw, hate is an extremely strong emotion and it is also one that I do not harbor.

    Then why all the focus to the right of the middle?

    The message was and as it is their demonstration means it is their bill. Does the government have to fund everything?

    If you were planning a revolution would you expect the government to fund it?

    lol
     
  2. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    You've got me.
     
  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I have been reading this tread from the beginning, and there are a few points I would like to MAKE, here.

    1. Are these folks that are camping out, there for the SHOW, or are they there for the expression of Personal Convictions? Seems to this observer that MOST are there for the SHOW, and can't express any deep Personal Convictions.
    2. The price for Freedom, in our Republic, is paid by each individuals, Personal Integrity, and Personal Responsibility. If you pay that price, you are responsible for your ACTIONS, and cleaning up, whatever Mess you make, while engaged in your Protest. That means you deal with your OWN Garbage, Poop, and Urine, yourself, and when you leave, you take it with you, and leave the area as clean as it was when you arrived. We haven't seen if these folks are going to do that, YET, as they are still there, HOWEVER, the indications are, that they are NOT being responsible for their own Messes, and cleaning up after themselves, so far.
    3. If one IS a Good Citizen of our Republic, then they have every Right to Peaceable Assembly. However, should they choose NOT to show the requisite responsibility, of a Good Citizen, then they are transgressing the Statutes of the State of New York, and the City of New York, and can, and should, be held Personally Responsible for their ACTIONS, in conjunction with the violation of said Statutes, PERIOD.
    4. Many will say, "It wasn't ME, that wasn't being a Good Citizen, it was that other guy." Well it doesn't matter to the LAW if it was you, or the other guy. If you are part of the crowd, then you are deemed responsible for the actions of that crowd. It is the same as if you were part of a Lynch Mob. You would be responsible for any violations of the LAW, committed by any member of the Mob, just as if you committed the crime yourself.
    5. With those understandings, I, for one, would NEVER be associated with an unknown Group of People, skirting the Law, in any way, as my Self-Respect and Personal Integrity would not allow for "Me" to risk those, in such fashion. Should I decide to protest something, I will do it Personally, and as a Single Individual, being very careful NOT to have anyone else, be part of my Personal Freedom issue.

    .... My opinion.... YMMV....
     
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  4. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    It's wierd. reading this thread I keep getting this mental picture.

    George Soros and Rupert Murdoch are sitting in leather chairs at an exclusive club, before a roaring fire, smoking expensive cigars and toasting each other with rare brandy in crystal glasses.

    "See George, I told you we could pull it off. Cheers!"
     
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  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Exactly, all part of The Game. And we and those silly protestors are all pawns. We The People are being played against wach other, separated into our little groups of chess pieces, and made to pander to the pleasures of the true 'leaders' of this nation - the International Banksters. Sure, I abhor what Wall Street is doing. It's criminal. But a bunch of New Age Hippies squatting and crapping on their sidewalks does NOT help the matter. There are smarter ways to get people's attention on The Subject rather than The Show......
     
  6. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Protest is widening AND they have been getting permits, as they are seeking ADDITIONAL permits from the City:

    Wall Street Protests Expected To Widen


    Additionally, I have been able to locate the protesters "demands". I want to be perfectly clear. I do not support these demands, but I do support their right to protest.

    Sorry, but they most emphatically do not speak for me!
     
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Nor me. If we give them credit for something besides applesauce between their ears, they are trying to establish a negotiating position for when sitting around a table happens. That table ain't built yet.
     
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  8. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I can smell the smoke from the bong being passed around while these demands were being written.

    "gurgle,gurgle,gurgle. Check this out man, check it, free public transportation man. You call a number and they pck you up and take you anywhere you want to go dude"

    "Yeah man but what about the like pollution and stuff. I thought we were against that?"

    "Gurgle,gurgle,gurgle. Dude!!Dude!! Check it out man, Rickshaws!!!"

    "Awesome bro!! Write that down man!"

    Ok so my 70's days are coming through. Add your own Cheech and Chong voices, or Bill and Ted if you're younger.
    [stoner]
     
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  9. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Dave's not here, man!
     
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  10. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    A few useless observations (in blue)

    Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr. Well, this is simply socialism and protectionism which will lead to higher prices and the loss of millions of jobs with the wage increase. Even though people feel "cheap products" are killing our economy, thy still choose to shop with their wallte not their principles

    Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.Socialism. Increase in all costs. This is total crap. a single payer system will drive physicians out of the market because the government will be paying them and screwing them like they do with Medicaid--which many doctors can not afford to accept patients. Go to Canada or England to see how well this system works

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment. Unlimited unemployment compensation.......guarantted to result in an rapid increase of public nipple suckers. SOCIALISM

    Demand four: Free college education. SOCIALISM and mind control of the proletariat. Might as well us communist terms to address communist principles.

    Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.WTF. More green BS and money for Al Gore and his freinds. Lets just tax all carbon life forms even more.

    Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.Socialism. Just what we need, spend another trillion on shovel ready jobs that don't create jobs. I like it. Great f'ing idea you dumb scheisskopfs

    Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.Green Socialsim. We also need to eliminate all coal fired and natural gas plants so we don't pollute and then by composting toilets that don't flush so we can all smell like a big load of crap. Also, wind towers are affecting the nesting habits of the birds an while the solar panels lead to a severe increase in global warming due to the heat created when the sun shines on the. Furthermore, we need to get rid of the hydro plants and return the rivers back to their natural flows prior to man entering the scene. While we are at it, we should reintroduce wolves to New York City.

    Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.Socialism and more socialism. [beat]

    Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live. More and more liberal gobbeldy gook. I am going to open my window and jump out of my hotel. What we need to do is just let everyone come in who wants to so we can destroy our country. Great Idea.

    Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.Good Luck. Can't control the election with dip shits recounting by hand in Florida.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
    [kneelsuckers]
    Just hit the reset button. Who is their economist? Alfred E. Newman?


    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.Who cares? Not credit, no report. simple solution

    Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a unionSocialism. Socialism. Socialism. Let's make more uncompetitive business like GM and Chrysler. Great idea.

    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy. They forgot that we need to have a nation of no drug laws so they can continue to smoke and shoot and take more acid trip so they can drink the drug laden cool-aid that makes them actually believe this will be the result. Did a 3 year old economist come up with these ideas? What a load of hippie crap


    Read more: http://www.survivalmonkey.com/forum...kers-wallstreet-protests-5.html#ixzz1ZvWNIWwC
     
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  11. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    I don't stand behind even a quarter of that. That's retarded, where did you find that? Can't be right. Doesn't mention the FED, doesn't mention sound money, it doesn't mention Justice for bankers.

    For the record, all I want is Justice, Righteousness, and Fairness in our society. I don't think that this is the correct demands for Occupy Wallstreet.

    Not that I think you're lying, cause we both know you to not be a liar, I just want to know where you got that.

    Did you know that if the 50k a year wage followed inflation since the 70's, the average wage would be 90k?
     
  12. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

  13. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    That is the demands of one man, and they are retarded. He does not appear to represent the movement.
     
  14. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    These demands, among OTHERS, some equally or even more ridiculous are being voted upon LIVE here

    Research is your friend.

    Edit: This exact thing is why we are a Congressional Republic and NOT a Democracy. Their demands will be dictated by popular VOTE? Please.
     
  15. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    This is an unaired mainstream media interview. This guy seems intelligent.

    <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6yrT-0Xbrn4" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>
     
  16. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Fact of the matter, the idiot, yes idiot, BELIEVES we live in a democracy, then totally advocates for SOCIALISTIC REFORM. He lost his battle when he made that statement. Then he drags out another idiot, Glen Beck, to make a point. Please. Not impressed. Leftist nut job.


    The ONE and ONLY point I agree with this guy on is the fact that we should have addressed WALL STREET/THE BANKS/THE FED after 2008, rather than bailing them out.

    Also, this gob of wasted flesh does NOT speak for ME. If this is the best they can do...
     
  17. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    It is so retarded even retarded people are offended to be called retarded as it lumps them in with these ****ing retards!

    There is nothing retarded that fact, either!

    [loco]
     
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  18. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    Again, this is not the movement. It's a website that anyone can go to and vote. Not only that but it's a super liberal website where people can vote. These are the opinions of Liberals sitting at home.

    Out of the things you can vote on, the things that address economy are down the list. It's like Jesus' message, the simple truths are getting lost. It's called Occupy Wall Street, it's focus is the above. All this other stuff that is being fixated on is someones opinion.

    I don't know how to better explain what I mean.
     
  19. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    Dude, these kids, your children, myself. We've been pumped full of "We live in a Democracy." "We're spreading Democracy" Everything was democracy, it takes a HUGE break from what you've been taught to understand the difference between a Democracy and a Republic. Beyond that, he uses the word democracy once.

    I can't believe you can't agree with at least part of this. What's the matter with feeding the poor. It's not like he advocated giving them money or food stamps. He advocated providing the most basic of necessities. What's wrong with taking care of the sick? Also, a for profit health care system doesn't work. THEY ARE KEEPING YOU SICK! It might not be what this guy wants that will be best, but what we have isn't going to work, and Obama's health bill is going to make it worse.

    Beyond that, yeah, we can all agree that we should deal with the banks and the financial institutions, and big business. Lets REALLY agree on that then. He addressed that first, that was what was on his mind first thing. He didn't pop up and say, "I'M HERE TO TURN THIS COUNTRY INTO ...." He said this.

    I took out the parts about Fox news suckage.
     
  20. Avarice

    Avarice California Health Junkie

    Dude, I figured it out. They don't have a list of demands like everyone wants. They want us to have these conversations.
     
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