### Note, that this is an old thread with potentially out of date info ### I have two different friends in two different locales that have started off-grid communities...happening now, not a pipe-dream....not looking for land...but up and running. One is my female farmer friend with 84 acres in central VIRGINIA WHO NEEDS HELP and is open to all kinds of arrangements to suit someone who can bring something to the table...help with the gardens or animals or equipment or financial help in exchange for land or lease....a visit would be the way to explore this. Big big but unfinished cabin, sharecroppers shack, old house mainly for storage, a tool/workshop building...stream and river nearby, donkeys, poultry, dogs and a retired rodeo horse...specialty crop potential to make money...proven...but she doesn't have the help this year...community has had people come and go, some stayed a year...there is phone, internet and very limited electric at this point....alittle remote and hidden but still within 25 minutes of wallyworld and Lowes and Tractor Supply and town of 10,000...so a good retreat off the beaten path. The second is a friend with 10 acres and a hilltop concrete house he's building, well under way, all off grid...in western North Carolina...looking for people preparing for the unknown...very nice guy and his wife...they want to have several people join them...beautiful area near the Blue Ridge Parkway...not flatland...very easy going and friendly...will have phone and internet. Me: I'm digging in at my 1100 person town away from the lines of drift on the virginia/north carolina border with wife and german shepherd. If I was single or already didn't own my small in-town retreat, I would join up with either of these two...tho I may be too "soft" for complete off grid i admit...small town versus country is a major debate as to which will prove better in the collapse...I ascribe to James Howard Kunstler's viewpoint expressed in his post-collapse book WORLD MADE BY HAND...basically being small town, away from cities, surrounded by farmland...offers the better choice. Of course, this is WAY open to debate and only time will tell.