Un Arms Trade Treaty Is Dead... For Now...

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by M. Jones, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. M. Jones

    M. Jones Monkey

  2. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Link inaccessible
  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Try that one
  4. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

    Seems I heard about this somewhere.
  5. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    Glad that turned out as a win for the Constitution, I was kind of worried about the way it was looking I thought mule faced Hillary had stuck it to American gun owners.
  6. TwoCrows

    TwoCrows Monkey++

    It is not over, now they will work on it quietly and stick it to us later.

    Kind of like Mark Twain, said the reports of its death are premature.
  7. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    mportant Message to Florida Gun Owners!

    The Conference on the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (U.N. ATT) has broken down and will not report a draft treaty to the member nations.

    This is a big victory for American gun owners, and the NRA is being widely credited for killing the U.N. ATT.

    For nearly 20 years, the NRA has worked tirelessly to warn American gun owners about the United Nations’ efforts to undermine the constitutional rights of law-abiding American gun owners by putting in place international controls on small arms.

    NRA became a recognized Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) and has monitored all U.N. activities that could impact on our Second Amendment rights. As a result, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre testified before the U.N. (2012 remarks, 2011 remarks) making it clear that the NRA would fight any international treaty that included civilian arms.

    NRA worked with our allies in the U.S. Congress and successfully assembled strong bipartisan opposition to any treaty that adversely impacts the Second Amendment. On two occasions NRA was successful in convincing a majority of the U.S. Senate to sign letters to President Obama that made it clear that any treaty that included civilian arms was not going to be ratified by the U.S. Senate.

    Yesterday (July 26), Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) gathered the signatures of 51 Senators on a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton opposing any treaty that infringes on our rights. The letter stated "As the treaty process continues, we strongly encourage your administration not only to uphold our country's constitutional protections of civilian firearms ownership, but to ensure--if necessary, by breaking consensus at the July conference--that the treaty will explicitly recognize the legitimacy of lawful activities associated with firearms, including but not limited to the right of self-defense. As members of the United States Senate, we will oppose the ratification of any Arms Trade Treaty that falls short of this standard."

    NRA members made their voices heard on this issue as well, calling their elected representatives and urging their opposition to the treaty. As a result, 130 members of the U.S. House of Representatives have voiced strong opposition to the treaty.

    During the past week, it became increasingly possible that the Conference would fail to come to an agreement on draft language. On Thursday, the Conference President produced yet another draft of the ATT in an effort to salvage the process. The new draft, like previous ones, was wholly incompatible with the Second Amendment rights protected by our Constitution.

    The proponents of the treaty have goals that are clearly at odds with the American Constitution. Their refusal to remove civilian arms from the treaty was one major issue that led to the breakdown in negotiations. The U.S. delegation made it clear that they could not move forward with the language as it had been drafted.

    While this conference has failed to complete a treaty, the proponents will not give up. It is likely that a new conference will be held in the future and NRA will continue to fight to protect the rights of American gun owners.

    NRA maintains its steadfast opposition to any treaty that includes civilian arms in any way. NRA will continue to work with our allies, particularly in the U.S. Senate, to insure that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not threatened by this or any future international treaty.
  8. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I'm betting the illegal kenyan is readying his EO pen for another Congress-evading ploy...... [reddevil]
    Yard Dart and TwoCrows like this.
  9. wrc223

    wrc223 Monkey+

  10. M. Jones

    M. Jones Monkey

    Sorry for the techno-screw up.

    Thanks for the assist, Melbo.
  11. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    If he get's re-elected you can bet your sweet ass that he will do another EO and circumvent the congress once again!! We need to continue to fight, as this was but just one battle in the struggle to regain our Republic!!!
  12. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    Was at the barber shop earlier and overheard a bit of conversation on this. The barber is a Marine and the guy conversing with him is a firefighter. The thing said that gets me to thinking is "If it doesn't come up before congress for a vote, then it just stays on the books and it eventually becomes law." I don't understand that concept, have some research to do on it, though if anyone knows about this type of action please enlighten me.
  13. TwoCrows

    TwoCrows Monkey++

    Ratification, however, is secondary to becoming a signatory to the treaty. Becoming a signatory carries its own obligations, which requires the U.S. to participate in the treaty under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. That is, we are legally obligated to do nothing to counter or otherwise interfere with this treaty while ratification is being considered, regardless how unlikely the prospect of ratification might be.

    Therefore, by simply being a signatory, the Obama/Hillary anti-gun, anti-second amendment position threatens our constitutional right to possess firearms for hunting or self-defense without even appearing to be antagonistic to the U.S. Constitution.

    I got this off the Brownells monthly newsletter;

    (Interesting point about the Senate ratification of this UN ATT. I read from a reliable source that treaties submitted to the U.S. Senate require approval of two-thirds of Senators present to be ratified. Wonder what happens if it's brought to the floor at 0200 hours when most against it are absent and the few there are for ratification and two-thirds of them vote in favor of it.)

    Brownells are usually not alarmist.
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