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US Army to Patrol in the USA

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Quigley_Sharps, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

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    <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message --><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) has spent 35 of the last 60 months in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[​IMG]<st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

    Now they’re training for the same mission -- with a twist -- they are now deployed right here in the good ol' US of A.

    Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command (NORCOM), as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

    This new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NORCOM, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

    After the 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one. “Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission," said Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NORCOM future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

    They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control...

    The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

    The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose.1

    "It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."

    The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").

    [1] There is a suspicious correction at the end of this article: A non-lethal crowd control package fielded to 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, described in the original version of this story, is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region>, as previously stated.

    Uh-huh! Obama would never use this option against his fellow citizens. He respects the Constitution too much -- sarcasm off!

    And, why didn't the BCT learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package" during their 35 months in a war zone? Why now? The answer is, the Army needs lethal in a war zone. It needs non-lethal at home.

    Read what the colonel said: "...this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded...because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."

    The colonel's "mission" is in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> -- does Obama now consider the homeland a "war zone?"<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" />

  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    conflicting statements: "The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose." the package" being nonlethal capabilities for a force fielded specifically for its lethality.
    Who are they trying to kid??? Only msnbc talking heads would buy this crap.
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    That looks familiar somehow. Like a month or so ago.

    Anyway, there was a deployment of soldiers sent to a town that was having considerable trouble with disaster and requested help for the local Army base. (Wish I could remember where it was.) That has been found to be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. Because of that, chances are this operation will not be ordered active. So we can hope, anyway.
  4. Al Bundy

    Al Bundy Monkey++

  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    <The colonel's "mission" is in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[​IMG]<st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> -- does Obama now consider the homeland a "war zone?">

    The way The Kenyan is going, it may well become so...... [freedom]
  6. Al Bundy

    Al Bundy Monkey++

    Yes, him, the poor and Goldman Sach against the working middle class man(even though he won't say it out loud).
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    We replaced those guys in Iraq. They got hammered pretty bad, and we just ended up paying off the locals and keeping the peace. Anyway, the real tough part about all of this is the fact that there are lies hidden within truths. Non-lethal practice is important, especially since the recent "war" demands its implementation on occasion. We all know that we can't trust our government; and even though many of the troops also feel this way, they are nevertheless indoctrinated, quarantined, subjected to US Mil television, and they depend on a paycheck to take care of the family. Tough call whether many will accept policing their own kind -but the real hum-dinger is in the details. Propaganda is an art. The United States has mastered it.

    I am expecting the whole deal to be washed over and while most Americans stay glued to the TV watching the latest news about Michael Jackson's legacy, the real work goes into play. Regardless, the call to have these soldiers stay home is not a bad idea; it's just what may happen next that we don't like.
  8. magnus392

    magnus392 Field Marshall Mags Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I just wish they were stacked at the border... :(
  9. Elza

    Elza Monkey++

    Posse Comitatus was just an act of congress. The government gives and the government takes away any time it suits them.
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    True enough. But it is still on the books, and until canceled, it stands. How and when it gets wiped off the books, now THAT is a mystery. Even zero hasn't the stroke to over ride the act without Congressional consent.
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    They won't have to. The Posse Comitatus Act stands as no threat provided the media continues its role. Added to this, the Presidential Proclamations authorized and placed into law by Congress in the United States Code grant the President and Sec. of Treasury complete power to do anything they please. The same powers granted during time of war if we were invaded by an enemy, it's called the Emergency War Powers -and the USC is lined with numerous Pres. Procl. further adding to the power of the Executive. This legitimizes their doctrine, the media covers it up or white washes it, and the People are none the brighter.

    Mao, Stalin, Hitler -they all acted upon the authority derived from the people. Sure, they were tricked. But deception is not the true enemy; ignorance is.
  12. techguy

    techguy Monkey++

    First post here, but here goes.

    It is always interesting to hear conjecture regarding martial law and US military partolling the US.

    I just don't see how the US military could effectively enforce martial law over the entire US. Heck, we are having a difficult time in iraq, which is a good bit smaller than Texas.

    They keep throwing this number around of 20,000 troops slated to assist local deployments, but could 20,000 even secure chicago? LA? New York? Doubtful.

    We could bring the entire military from overseas and still have a difficult time enforcing full on martial law.

    Don't get me wrong, what is being done is unconstitutional, unlawful, and downright scary.
  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Not to knock your post, but just for discussion purposes: how much actual enforcement do you need? any manned checkpoints after a declaration of kurfew would be enough to give you a really bad day if you were to run afoul of even one. Granted 20,00 troops couldn't keep millions locked in their houses; but Tell people "its temporary; just until "order"( whatever that means) is restablished"; control utilities, media, food and water rations and it'd be "easy" to gain basic compliance.

    Only Use your rapid response force of 1st brigade hardballers to brutally squash any spontaneous riots. eventually as thedays wore on pockets of resistence would become active.( those zones get half rations of food and utilities until government "helpers" were safe again performing their duties of community "love". ) Counter insurgency units would find fertile pickings of sources among hungry rationed "entitled" populace.
    Looking at the obese, cow-eyed, "wal-martians" around here me thinks, you could control them with a bag of snickers ( heel,sit,down)
  14. techguy

    techguy Monkey++

    And that is the crux there. The entitlement crowd is going to be difficult to control if the food supply is interrupted at all. There is also the crowd that will riot and start looting regardless of the excuse.

    Now, add to that the REAL resistance guys, it would become and iraq insurgency situation x10.

    I really don't think they need to declare martial law (right now at least). I mean, what would it buy them? They are already in full control, and as long as american idol plays, and mcdonalds is open, they stay in full control.

    And I didn't take it as a knock at all. Discussion=good.
  15. Al Bundy

    Al Bundy Monkey++

    I don't know Tango, 50% of the population is pretty pissed off. That's 150 million people and since there is one gun for every citizen in the US that's 2 guns per pissed off citizen. I don't think it would last more then a day or two. Ugly odds on their part.
  16. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Control the food, control the population. Who needs check points?
  17. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I see where your coming from techguy: But I remember seeing lots of demonstration video from recent protests where imperial stormtroopers in black armor are beating and pepper spraying protestors and theyall say " Sir why are you doing this this is the campus?" there's the learned deference to authority developed to high degree in this country now, they sit in groups and don't resist as riotcops put pepper pastes dirrectly in a fellow protestors eyeswith a popsickle stick.You'd think somebody'sbuddies would get pissed and say hey g-damndit,you can't do that you sadistic bastid. and the 35 protestors would standup against the 7 or so cops.
  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    There won't be that many people when martial law is openly declared.

    The key in controlling the US civilian populace is not in its size alone; it is in the application of controlled zone enforcement. The number one mode of transportation which most Americans rely upon is automobile; establishing and holding checkpoints will not be difficult to manage, and the traffic itself will deter any mass migrations....that is, assuming that fuel can even be had. The locals will also have agents working in every town; from the Minister who reports unusual behavior to the businesses supplying water and food, to the babysitter or even your very own child who attends public school. Gradually, all that remains of resistance will slowly be snuffed out by tactical precision -neighbors ratting each other out, gestapo silently hauling away the husband in the middle of the night, entire gatherings of protesters rounded up and hauled off to detention centers.

    Why do you think it is so important that the typical American has great difficulty boiling water, let alone attempting to make pipe bombs? The Iraqi's never had the mindshare invasion and psychological dumbing down on the levels we are experiencing. Without electricity for even one week, a large enough portion of our society will be more than cooperative.

    The solution will be a simple one: play ball, or suffer. Americans don't like to suffer.

    (Monkeys know how to survive, but what about the majority of our kind?)

    The cities will be ripe for the harvest. Control the major centers of travel and communication (already done), and I guarantee you that it doesn't matter how many guns the people own (besides they are worthless without ammo), they will pretty much kill each other off. Rural areas and those who live in the farthest outreaches will fair best at first, but most of their concentrated efforts will fail if these small communities cannot hold themselves together. Even so, you should know that the government is working very hard at combating this area for control as well, with programs well into veterancy like "Operation Urban Warrior" and numerous black-ops projects eliciting the assistance of local Law Enforcement and churches, the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and your average yuppie who doesn't own any guns and trusts the government.

    Guns will do you no good if you don't have a plan. The enemy will come when you least expect it, probably in the winter when the people need heat and food is difficult to come by without the grocery store, which will now be empty.
  19. guntotinguy

    guntotinguy Monkey++

    Copy that...being so armed its doubtful any action could or would ever be taken.
  20. Al Bundy

    Al Bundy Monkey++

    Naw, it'll be a blood bath on both sides. You under estimate hungry, desperate, heavily armed people. If anything really goes down.
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