War is Easy

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Seacowboys, Feb 19, 2008.


  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    <table valign="top" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width=""><tbody><tr><td class="title" align="left" nowrap="nowrap" valign="bottom" width="*"> Infamous Quote from Hermann Goering </td><td valign="top" width="100%"> <table class="header" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="logo" valign="bottom">[​IMG]</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> </tbody></table> [​IMG]
    "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
    a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
    it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
    don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
    Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
    country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
    drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
    dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
    voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
    and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
    country to danger. It works the same in any country."
     
  2. MbRodge

    MbRodge Monkey+++

    Wow. Just....wow.
     
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I thought that quote was Hitler.
     
  4. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    I had always heard it from Goering.... but I have been wrong once or twice in my life ;)
     
  5. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    It was Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials.
     
  6. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    We don't need a trillion dollar war to fight our enemies.
    We don't need to trade our own blood and children for 'democracy'
    We don't need to have troops in 160 countries to ensure our national defense.
    We don't need to trade liberty for safety

    Why do modern 'Peace Keepers" carry machine guns?

    This is very interesting and I wish it would have gotten out in the mainstream earlier. I think we ALL could have gotten behind it. Surgical precision offing of bad guys with little cost, life, or collateral damage. THey tried to paint Paul as a cut and run.... He was more like John Wayne.

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/901/constitutional-responses-to-terrorism/
    by Ron Paul, Dr. January 20, 2008
    It has been over 6 years since the atrocities of September 11 were committed and there are still some very basic measures that need to be taken to bring the perpetrators to justice and make America safer. I have proposed legislation to help with these efforts and will continue to fight in Congress for the safety and security of the American people.

    My legislation entitled The Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007 (HR 3216) makes the surgical strike option available to the President in our mission to capture Bin Laden. Our military has been pursuing him without result for far too long now, and it is high time ALL constitutional tools were utilized in the hunt for this dangerous madman. As an American it sickens me to know that Bin Laden and top leaders of al Qaeda remain at large and thumbing their noses at us, while we unravel the sacred fabric of our constitution out of fear. It is Osama Bin Laden and the perpetrators of terrorist attacks that ought to be afraid of us, not the other way around. The answers are found in the Constitution. We should boldly root out the perpetrators and not let them get away with their crimes against us. As the home of the brave we should use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to bring Bin Laden to justice.

    Also, we need to take serious steps to prevent terrorists from gaining easy access to targets on our soil. Quite alarmingly, even with the knowledge that the 19 terrorist hijackers entered our country legally, and that 15 of them were from Saudi Arabia , student visas from terrorist sponsoring countries are still far too easily obtained. In a baffling move President Bush struck a deal with Saudi King Abdullah in 2005 to allow 21,000 more Saudi young men into the US on student Visas. Of course, not all students from terror sponsoring countries are terrorists, but I place a higher premium on the security of the American people than the convenience of citizens of hostile countries. We should not be making the goals of would-be terrorists easier to accomplish, but rather should be vigilant about defending against enemies at every turn. They should not be slipping through our doors so easily, using our immigration laws against us, and that is why I proposed the Terror Immigration Elimination Act (HR 3217) to toughen standards for VISAS from countries on the State Department's list of terrorist sponsoring countries in addition to Saudi Arabia . Just as you decide who to invite to a dinner party in your home, we should be in charge of who we allow in this country, without apology.

    A lot has been done to fight the War on Terror and much of it has been misdirected, but there are some tools still needed and more progress to be made. My bills The Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007 and The Terror Immigration Elimination Act are logical steps in the right direction.
     
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    The CIA used to be allowed to carry out covert operations like "surgical" removal of the likes of Obomba until it was stopped and made illegal. I've had mixed feelings about that prohibition ever since (and before, as well.) The opportunity for abuse is there, and in those days there was no significant oversight. All those operations depend heavily on intelligence of the "on the ground" flavor, an expensive commodity then, more so now, since you have to turn locals rather than infiltrate. (Can you see a 230# 6'-3" Afghan sheepherder?) The time honored spy networks take time to create, and ours collapsed at the "end" of the cold war; more accurately was allowed to die on its own for a perceived lack of need, and continued pressure to account for the money a bit better than $300 dollar ball peen hammers.
     
  8. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    I see no difference between the CIA "executing" bin laden covertly than I do the US Navy launching cruise missles at an Al-Queda training camp with the hope of killing bin Laden militarily or a Predator launching a hellfire at over a pakistani village home to try and kill him. Either way, it is execution. The difference: CIA method would have less collateral damage.
     
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Agree completely, dead is dead. [boozingbuddies]But I can see some real advantages to keeping the Navy (or whatever military arm) out of the limelight flexing it's muscles on the world stage. Not to mention that the CIA team would cost less even if the expenses were publishable data. We still have to depend on intelligence that seems in short supply these days. The network has to be rebuilt, and it needs civilian oversight by scrupulous representatives if any can be found.

    I cannot justify (in my own mind) wet work just because others do it (and they do.) But I can easily make the case for judicious application in select cases, bin Laden is prime.

    As an aside, IMHO, I bet we know quite accurately where he is. What is bothersome is the tinfoil hat thinking that says we aren't going to hit him because that would eliminate our excuse for a lot of saber rattling and pot stirring that reduces our freedoms. Those of you that have seen my ravings should know me for pretty conservative thinking, but this is one time I might well be over the wall.
     
  10. MO titmouse

    MO titmouse Mrs monkeyman


    why do peace keepers have gun. becouse not all of us will eat thouse muchrooms. or drink the koolaid.we are not sheep.[beat]
     
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