Warning.... ATF changes Rules on Making Receivers for Personal Use......

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by BTPost, Jan 3, 2015.


  1. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Got an eMail from a reputable source, that ATF has redefined WHO is REQUIRED to have an Manufactures FFL License, for making Finished Receivers, for ANY FireArm, in the USA. The NEW Rule states that ANYONE who Makes, or Finishes, an 80% Receiver, is NOW, considered a Manufacture of FireArms, and therefore MUST comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended. this means Licensing, Reporting, and Documenting Serial Numbers on such Receivers, PERIOD...

    This is a MAJOR change, and is NOT in agreement with the specific wording of the GCA as amended . I suspect it will be challenged in Federal Court, but in the meantime be very, Very VERY CAREFUL, if you are or possess, such an 80% Item, and plan to finish it.....

    Word to the Wise....
     
  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Well, isn't that special. I wonder how many 80% were sold as Christmas presents. There seemed to be a lot of sales on those.
     
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  3. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    That means I'm going to have to let the dust settle, before trying one then
     
  4. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    That just plain sucks...... I've been waiting for the time when I had money and the tools. Now I can't buy the receiver!! [wannamesswitme]
     
  5. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    oh you can probably still buy one. It's just the act of machining it, may turn problematic. From my read of @BTPost notice above.
     
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  6. DarkLight

    DarkLight I self identify as a Blackhawk Attack Helicopter! Site Supporter

    It would be so sad to purchase one or more of the 80% receivers and then lose them before you could finish them. And that wouldn't need to be reported since the are just blocks of aluminum.

    So very sad indeed.

    On a serious note, I wonder if they will have to start serializing the 80% blanks.
     
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  7. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

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  8. DarkLight

    DarkLight I self identify as a Blackhawk Attack Helicopter! Site Supporter

    My honest fear in this is that they will demand sales records and then stormtroop their way into your home and demand to see either the blank or the finished receiver. If you have the blank still they will note it and stormtroop you every 3 months to make sure you haven't turned it into something other than a paperweight.

    This is not a good thing and 80% is 80%, it would include the 1911 @VisuTrac

    If you are going that route, you may as well buy a bunch of AR-15 80% lowers as well (same page).
     
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  9. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    If they are coming to check on the state of 80% lower state of machining, we've got bigger problems than that.
     
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  10. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    AR, AK, 1911's, PPsH's, Suomi's, Stens, Uzi's, HK's, RPK's, 1919's, .. etc.
    Unfinished receivers exist for all of them.

    There are a number of home builders out there. Wonder how many people have whipped up an AK from a parts kit.

    The idea of changing the rules is like closing the barn door after the horses have fled and the barn burned down.

    The word over-reach comes to mind.
     
  11. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    Ordering off the interwebz kinda defeats the purpose of having an 80% receiver.

    Gun show / private sale + FRN's = privacy
     
  12. DarkLight

    DarkLight I self identify as a Blackhawk Attack Helicopter! Site Supporter

    I'm waiting for the "prove you didn't just make this". This rule/law/statute/whatever reeks of expost facto.
     
  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    Guilty until proven innocent comes to mind.......
     
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  14. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    English Courts work that way.
     
  15. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    ATF changing the rules while the Kenyan administration is pulling the strings, I am shocked. [sarc1]

    When the new Senate comes in it will be time to impeach the POS traitor that thinks he's a dictator.
     
  16. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    It may be time, but I don't think they'll have the intestinal fortitude to do it...after all, that would be racist[sarc1]
     
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  17. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    R's and D's. Just opposite sides of the same coin of power.
    Heads they win, tails you lose.
     
  18. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    correct me if im wrong but cant you just say you sold it ??
    Or atleast its that way in Lousiana??
    no law saying you have to be a gun dealer to sell a gun ...
     
  19. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Depends on your states law.
    In Michigan, long guns and shot guns in the secondary market (not through a FFL holder) typically do not have trackable paper work.
    Pistols on the other hand, yes, buyer must have CPL or Purchase Permit and the gun must be registered with the state police.

    YMWV depending on your location.
     
  20. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Why do you think, Monkeys have such a Horrible Record in Boat Navigation.... And Sinking Accidents...
     
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