This could have gone in firearms or in survival or where ever but figured this might let some one see it that it could help. I went to pick up 2 pigs today and took my .357 along to put them down with. I had it loaded with 'Winchester .38 special +P 125 grain JHP PERSONAL PROTECTION' ammo. These things look like they would be some pretty wicked rounds for defense and since they are +P one would assume they would do pretty well in the power department. WRONG!!! The first pig was a small one and I put one shot in its head and mannaged to drop it as one would expect but the second pig was around 250 pounds and I shot it dead on in the forehead just as you should...it didnt even fall down, so I shot it again in the head, and again and again and again. I shot that pig in the head 5 times with those rounds and the pig never did fall down! After the fifth time I shot it (and the 1 for the first pig) I reloaded with .357 American Egale rounds and shot the pig once in the head with those and finaly put it down. I just figured that folks needed to know about this since this was an animal about the same as a human and this ammo is widely sold (I bought mine at Walmart) as 'Personal Protection' ammo. If that pig had been an attacker all that ammo would have done would have been to get me killed. So just a heads up that just because the ammo is marketed as defensive ammo dosent mean it will stop or even slow down an attacker, so make sure you know first hand what any ammo you rely on for your protection will do and what it wont.