We the People.... video

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by tacmotusn, Aug 12, 2010.


  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Nice video. Hits the points pretty good. Worth a watch. Maybe worth forwarding to every politician you can get an email address for. JMHO

    YouTube - We The People
     
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Is that a Power-Hour video? Good idea to have a woman do the voice over. I like it.

    To think -if Franklin got his way, that bald eagle would have been replaced with a turkey.
     
  3. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Nice video...Do you think that words would ever become an action?
    Is it possible in US for the people to collect signatures and demand some sort of all-states referendum? Or the laws don't allow that?
     
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    If it doesn't have "republican" or "democrat" specifically assigned to it, most people in America pay little attention to it.
     
  5. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    That is the great sadness of the whole voting process. The game is rigged to two parties. The two parties both lie their asses off, and the stupid sheeple suck it up as gospel. And, the game goes on. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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    I think the Tea Party People were shown in pictures in the video, and may be behind it as well.
     
  6. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Now all I need, is to get a sound card for this computer!
    Dang...can't hear a word and my lip-synch skills are not helping!
     
  7. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned


    OK...so, why doesn't that Tea Party run in the elections? Or make another, new party, gather high educated, honest people, do some TV and Internet promotion, and run for congress, or any bloody election that happens?
    That's being done here all the time...Here anyone that gathers 10.000 signatures can run for anything in any elections...can't you?
     
  8. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    As I said, "the game is rigged in the two party system". You can't imagine the power of the corrupt two party system. The money, influence, and blind public support. In my State, Florida, in our primary elections, for example, only registered Democrats and Republicans, may vote in the primary, and then only for someone in the party they are registered for. It is a slanted corrupt system that is near impossible to overcome. Then compound the problem with only aproximately 50% of legal age citizens participate in the voting process. PM sent as well.
     
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Theoretically, anyone can run for any office, just as you say. Bear in mind that the Tea Party is more of an idea than a political force on it's own, and is unlikely to be able to muster the money needed to run a campaign, even if there were a few good men willing to accept a label. Tea Partyers rather prefer to avoid being labeled as anything other than individualists that will not cling to some dogma put out by some central committee such as the elephants and donkeys operate with. It is right difficult to herd cats.

    There have been third (and forth, and so forth) political party runs at national office in the past with a notable lack of success. (Including communists, libertarians and a couple others.)

    My opinions, then:
    1) - The US is completely unprepared politically to operate as the Brits and other current and former Commonwealth countries do under the Westminster form of Parliamentary government. It's tough enough getting bipartisan cooperation without having to deal with coalitions of multiple parties. I guess we like it simple, with a minimum of opposing views to sort out. Two is the absolute minimum, not as in completely communist party gov'ts where there was only one. (Yes, I'm aware of softer and harder lines.)
    2) - The Tea Party will never exist as a separate political force. The outcome of the stirring at the grassroots level by the TP is expected to get the attention of the major political parties and make it clear that we are unhappy with how they are performing in our name, and integrate our ideas into their platforms. And then just do it our way instead of along some misguided, corrupt, self serving, narcissistic power trip.
     
  10. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned


    WHAT???...You are kidding me? Right? How the heck is that called "democracy"???? If I understood you right, If you join Democrat party, you can't vote for Republican candidate if you like???? And in order to be allowed to vote, you MUST be a member of one of the parties? If you are not a member, they prevent you for voting at all???

    Huh...I'm sure I didn't get this right...I must have misunderstood you. Can you explain me better, slowly, like you would to a total moron, please?
     
  11. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Various States vary in how they do their Primary elections. There is not enough time or space to describe them all. Now, in Florida, you can register to vote as a democrat, a republican, or as an independent. If you are registered as an independent YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARY ELECTION AT ALL.
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    if you are registered as a democrat, you may vote in the primary election for the democratic party member of your choice, but in the primary you may not vote for a republican or an independent.
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    if you are a registered republican, you may vote in the primary election for the republican party member of your choice, but not a democrat or an independent.
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    In the main election, you may vote for anyone on the ballot who is running for president, and you may even write in someone in some states,if not all.
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    is that a little clearer.
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    keep in mind, we have 70% of the worlds lawyers, and our tax code that no one, including IRS employees, and politicians understands is 66,000 pages of complex gobblelygook.
     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    You have to register to vote in all cases, in all states. There is no requirement to register as a party member except in those states that require declaring a party for the primaries. In the states where you need not be a party member, you can (generally) vote in the primaries by selecting the ballot for whichever party you want to participate in at the polls. But there are different rules, so this is NOT cast in concrete, there are variations. Really interesting ----. [yukface]
     
  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The idea which binds voting in America to the two party false paradigm is the creation of the illusion that people actually affect change. In reality, the electoral college votes the "president" and overrides any votes of the people. The best way to describe the electoral college, in laymen terms, is to say that it is comprised of a few individuals belonging to each state respectively, who accept bribes from the anointed candidates of either major party in exchange for their support. It's a giant scam, little more. There are many more details about this, especially when factoring in the numerous rules and processes which govern each state during the voting process. For example, if a state is found to be in "violation" of any of these rules, the votes are thrown out completely and cannot be accepted in the voting process. This has been used in the past so the media can declare a "clear winner" early on in the campaign, affording the state or states in question to the perceived "winner" -kind of like a rigged lottery scheme. Additionally, it is important to note that candidates must receive MASSIVE amounts of money to run for president --and this is typically done with the aid of the corporate media, although some underdogs like Ron Paul, who ran on the Republican ticket in the past have utilized the internet to broaden the money acquisition for campaigning. Regardless, any candidate who is not heralded to be a supporter of New World Order policy or does not belong to fraternal societies and make the list of members of Slavery, Incorporated --are shunned, attacked, and even made irrelevant by the media. The American people, as is proven with past elections, have a terrible habit of only voting for the "popular" guy running for office; that means, if the media doesn't declare the candidate to be potentially successful in the primaries, the average American will not vote for him/her.

    It's a terribly sad event altogether. No votes from the people really even matter.

    If all of that wasn't disparaging enough, on top of all this we have voting scandal. New technology developed each season (Die-Bold voting machines) tend to be unpredictable and unreliable, which begs the question: do our votes really count at all? It is spelled out like a classic Greek tragedy, with the very same people who invested in the corporations that make the voting machines running for office and winning.

    The majority of American people really have little knowledge or trust in considering the fact that their entire government is out of control. The myth, the illusion of "democratic" process has them spellbound to traditional belief and time-honored trust. It only takes the strong willed and the courageous to recognize the perils we face as a country. Unfortunately, these people are still the minority, not racially separated from their brethren, but held apart by their love for the republic and liberty over the temptations of decadence and the illusion of security.
     
  14. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Thanks guys...It's little clearer now...I'm speechless..
     
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