What is a good "I don't care if it gets stolen" gun?

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by fortunateson, Apr 8, 2010.


  1. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I want to keep something in the trunk of my car within a "get home bag".
    Cheap is the bottom line.
    Suggestions?
     
  2. Nomad 2nd

    Nomad 2nd Monkey+++

    Rifle like a M-44 or cheap shotgun?

    Or pistol like a Tokorev?
     
  3. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Pistol.
    Not crazy about surplus. Out of the 4 surplus pistols I've owned, only one performed reliably. Tho the P64s that are out there seem like they're practically new - so maybe.
     
  4. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I got a pair of makarovs, one for each vehicle. Surprisingly accurate and reliable. sks good trunk rifle. Whether you are not crazy about surplus or not, for the most part reliability is a given. tried and true long term issue weapons for sure.
     
  5. Snake Plisken

    Snake Plisken Monkey+

    You can get a .380 CZ, Bersa, Kel Tec or High-Point for under $300.
    Basically use em' and toss em'
    Call me Snake
     
  6. Nomad 2nd

    Nomad 2nd Monkey+++

    $200 S&W .38
     
  7. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Dirt cheap police trade in Glock. Usually can be had about $300 or so. It will look like **** but will be reliable.
     
  8. iceman121

    iceman121 just starting

    A High point.
     
  9. pcc

    pcc Monkey+

    +1 or 2 actually Got glocks for both of my cars think they were 275 each. Took them by Glock here in town and had night sites put on them for 59 each. It's nice having a mfg like glock locally.
     
  10. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Saw those.
    Same risks as other cheapo guns (jams, parts breaking) or are these better quality?
     
  11. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    CZ-82 seems to be coming down in price (9x18 Mak). Recommend only brass cased ammo. $219 at aimSurplus.com with 2 12-rnd mags and holster.

    They also have the P-64 (9x18 mak) w/ 2 6-rnd mags for $169.

    Both are excellent pistols. The P-64 is also my CCW.
     
  12. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    If you can get Tupperware for that price it is a no brainer to have one in every vehicle.
     
  13. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    The cheapest I can find a popo-trade-in is $340. Please give us your source for these! Please please please...
     
  14. Sheila-Marie

    Sheila-Marie Monkey+

    what about Pawn shops? They have some nice weapons - seems like price and reliability would be the 2 most important requirements!!
     
  15. pcc

    pcc Monkey+

    I got them 6 or 7 years ago from a local police supply store, Ed's public safety. Supposedly they are the largest glock dealer in the south. Been awhile since I shopped there, I'll go by next week and see what they get for their trade ins now.

    They have LEO pricing on their site, $398 for a G17 with 3 mags.
     
  16. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer


    What pcc said. Find out who your department is buying though. A lot of larger cities will have a local police supply place that generally accepts trade ins for new weapons. There was one in WA I used to visit and they had an assortment of trade ins besides handguns.... 37mm gas guns, 870s, Ruger Mini-14s (with the bad ass Ruger folding stock).

    Also check Shotgun News..... even paying a transfer fee to your FFL you can probably come in at $300ish
     
  17. PapaSasquatch

    PapaSasquatch Monkey++

    ^^ THis is my vote too. 12 round mags, dirt cheap, accurate, tough as hell, and in good condition as from aim for $220. Ammo is affordable too.

    Add a beat up SKS and/or a $200 shotgun with some slugs/00buck... this variety can get you out of trouble and can be thrown away.
     
  18. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I guess you folks have had some good luck with surplus guns.
    Me? - not so much.

    E. German Makarov - FAIL
    Beretta 1934 - FAIL
    CZ52 - FAIL
    Systema Colt Modello 1927 - Now that one was a keeper!

    Beretta was ok after I had at it with a dremel.
    Mak - Loved that gun, but it had what I call "the slide mounted safety problem"
    CZ52 - Jam-o-matic

    It seems like as far as price goes, I may have to re-think the whole surplus deal.
    I'd prefer the PA63 over the CZ82 though.

    I figure if TSHTF and I'm away from home, I'm may have to hoof it back through uncharted territory. PA63 is better for concealment. Some of them even come with an ancient holster.

    Heard good things about it.
     
  19. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    What is a good "I don't care if it gets stolen" gun?

    One that is already stolen.
     
  20. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    CZ-82 and P-64 are built like little tanks. The only problems I've had were with Wolf steel-cased ammo; although, I used hundreds of rounds of S&B steel-cased w/o any problem at all. Also, they're not really ancient weapons like some you listed; my CZs are dated 1983 and 1986, and my P-64 is dated 1977.

    That's too bad about your East German Makarov; they're supposed to be the best Maks that were ever made. Perhaps you were using Wolf ammo?... I don't like Wolf although I have plenty (works well in my SKS).

    The CZ-52 is one weird piece of machinery. Over at surplusrifleforum.com there's a discussion group on it; there used to be talk about how to fix various common problems -- I didn't want any of that. The CZ-52 is renowned for its ferocious blast and armor penetrating capabilities. The ammo is cheap too!

    The PA-63 and P-64 have about the same concealability. To me, the P-64 is built much better, but it is heavier.
     
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