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When Should You Shoot A Cop?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Brokor, Jun 30, 2011.

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  1. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    When Should You Shoot A Cop | Cop Block

    Discuss. And, just so you know...if you are a "boot-licker", please take time to read the article I posted before commenting. I am not trying to start a confrontation, and this thread will be locked at the first sign of hostile posting, so keep it CIVIL. [beer]

    Excellent quote.
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    This whole article is FANTASTIC. It's almost as if I wrote it myself...

    Right on.

    Okay, that's all I will quote. If you want to read the entire thing, visit the link I provided in the first post.
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  3. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    The sign reads :
    "Trespassers will be violated. Survivors will be prosecuted"

    ifn' she's pretty she just might not be prosecuted [IHI]

    All i have to say is don't come kicking down my door in the middle of the night. I'm hard of hearing , won't be able to hear what you are shouting but with the lights,flash bangs and smoke i'll think i'm in a dream and start shooting all the mechwar cyborgs i can !

  4. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    the entire system breeds fear of law enforcement
    they are sposed to be our friends, not enemies
    "to protect and serve" has a whole new meaning these days
    "protect" those in power and "serve" their interests
    it is quite sad, but true
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  5. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    If sumone(s) come busting in my house all dressed in black waving guns I will prolly not hear anything they may or may not be shouting. My first reaction will to be start shooting. There is no possible second reaction to such a thing.
  6. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    It is not PC to pop a cap in a popo.

    and my first statement when confronted with a rogue officer would be:

    "Don't Taze Me Bro'!"
  7. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    My criteria for shooting anyone does not vary as to their profession, only to the degree of threat they impose. If they knock on my door, I will try to comply within the laws of civility; if they kick my door down and kill my dog, the **** has officially hit the fan and I will respond with as lethal a force as I can possibly muster.
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  8. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Great post Sea, agree 100%. If someone shows up and wants to start it, whether you actually did something to deserve it or it is an illegal entry, the **** is on!
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    and if they (whom ever "they" are) come all the way out to My CABIN, in the winter, they best bring the whole ARMY with them, because either I will be dead, or they will ALL be waiting to be collected, by the next bunch, that comes, some actually worth getting, but many not worth the time to bury, should they arrived unannounced. In Alaska, you NEVER show up, unannounced in the bush. Not if you want to be still moving Air, in and out.....
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  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    I can almost understand the belligerent attitude of cops in the crime-ridden big city areas, but today the "GI Joe" mentality, the 'tactical training' and attitudes, permeate too much of the LEO community. There are still some fine law enforcement officers out there, but too many see themselves as SWAT Troopers first and foremost. They get high on the action, and need that 'fix'.
    Couple that with the local civic leaders wanting to justify the cost of that nifty new police gear and weapons to the public, and the need to be 'seen doing something about the crime rate' - ANYTHING! A pack of storm-troopers taking down a drug dealer plays well to the TV-watching sheeple. Of course, they gloss over the occasional gunning down of dogs, daddies and kids.......

    "Oops, we got the wrong house..... call the Spinmeisters, we need to put the quietus on this one!"
  11. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Broker,I swear to ''God'' your search engine must ''CRY'' at nite...+1...

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  12. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I live so remote, and I am in tune with the surrounding sounds if they manage to sneak up on me night or day, .... SHAME ON ME.
    Over the years for one reason or another, I have encountered and met pretty much on my terms, Sheriffs deputies, codes enforcement, appraisers office personnell, power company personnell, state wildlife officers and even a team of 2 FBI agents. In each case I was armed with either a holstered pistol, or cradled or slung rifle or shotgun. At no time did I point a weapon at them, and we were able to keep it civil until they departed. In all cases it was pointed out to them that they had passed two gates that were posted, and that the roads they were on were not county maintained, and were in fact on private property. They were asked why they were there etc etc. One of the sheriffs deputies came the closest to being ordered off the property for being heavy handed and a verbal bully.
    Peace thru superior firepower and awareness.
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  13. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++ Site Supporter

    The history of the German Police battalion 101 during the occupation of Poland and the atrocities that they committed during WWII are bone chilling to say the least. These individuals were not enlisted/officers of the German Army, nor were they members of the Waffen SS, they were duly sworn LEO's.
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  14. dewber

    dewber Monkey+


    Hopefully this thread will get pulled.
  15. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    That has been considered. This one extract saved it.
    "But there is a big difference between obeying for the sake of self-preservation, which is often necessary and rational, and feeling a moral obligation to go along with whatever the ruling class wants to do to you, which is pathetic and insane." The rest of the essay is a moot question and gives no provocation or agitation to actions or threats beyond the writer's thinking; it makes no recommendations.

    The last phrase in that quote is an opinion, but places the argument in context. As a practical matter, the whole question devolves into the circumstances, and whether or not there are external influences such as societal break down under way.

    Self preservation is a strong human urge, and of itself is a moral obligation. Few enough people will jump up and destroy themselves to make a point (which likely won't get into sheep's minds anyway, given the media controls in place.) The question becomes, shall I submit and live to fight another day in a different venue, or shall I react and almost certainly die and/or lose the few freedoms permitted me by the system? It is fact that there are thugs (bred by the system) in all levels of government that tread on rights, but one has to ask oneself if they are worth the risk to counter with force, or if it makes sense to go another route at the voting booth, or organize a resistance movement. For me, self immolation for a cause simply removes me from the pool of activists. (YMMV)

    The piece provoked thought, eh? And reactions, both gut and considered, exactly as planned.

    That said, waking me up with a whole lot of noise and fussing at 4 or 5 AM will cause me to react in some way, a reaction that I'm hard pressed to describe with any certainty.
  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Keep dreaming. Read the article next time. Don't bother replying. Ghrit, I am giving you my consent to lock this thread at the first sign of belligerence.
  17. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Responses given in absolutes generally show the lack of understanding or myopia of the response's author.

    Hypothetically, just think if everyone held your viewpoint in

    the late 1700s, we'd be singing 'God Save the Queen' instead of the 'Star Spangled Banner.' (Do you actually realize the balls it took to sign the Declaration of Independence?? You were signing your death warrant if success wasn't achieved.)

    the early 1940s when the Germans put their plans created at the Wansee Conference in action....nothing would change and you'd still have Operation Reinhard go into effect. The result was the Holocaust.

    'Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' is just lip-service unless you have some ways to achieve these ideals. If you're under tyranny, a gun is the great equalizer and can be used where the pen failed. Our framers understood this and the exact reason why they took great pains to limit government in the daily lives of man. They were all to familiar with tyranny because it was so overt. Now, tyranny is rampant, but it has been placed upon us a little at a time whereby we have grown complacent.

    Just like when von Clausewitz says 'War' is just another form of politics. The gun is just another way to deter the encroachment of the government from taking your life or liberty when civil actions fail...and precisely why the 2nd Amendment was put in the Constitution.
  18. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

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  19. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    The basic problem of law enforcement it has forgot how to be a officer of the law first and second it now about the data that they need to keep up the funding for each year..

    When i came into Law Enforcement work back in the early 80's time frame it was about knowing the people on your beat and how you treat regular Mr Smith or Mrs Jone's compared to the local Drug dealer name Joe Blow or the street walker name Mary Ann ..

    Alot has change from the 1980's time frame and maybe it will never be normal again ..

    yes i have and yes he was dirty as heck and he worked for a local drug cartel and he thought if he shot it out with the people who came to see him that morning so he could get away ..


    If you think my gammer and sentence is bad remember this when you read a police report it a fine polished piece of crap that was put togerther to make it a good read in court ..Not the first daft is so full of spelling and grammer mistake it not funny ..That why alot of dept's across the country have gone to computer voice recordering of the data and it make a final polished report for the records

    or as my good friend Ralph used to say about report writting

    The report made the officer look like RinTinTin in the action by polishing the thing intill it so good that the true nature of the crime is gone and the whole thing is a artfull piece of garbage that should never be allowed in the first place ..I called him up and asked him that say about reporting writting ..
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  20. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    A lot of Most places are still like that. A lot of the responses to this and other threads tend to demonize the police similarly to the way the military would demonize "the enemy". This may come as a shock, but a lot of the police officers are a part of the community. I am willing to place money on the fact that they aren't alien creatures that transplant here during shift change to rule over the minions.

    Speaking in generalities are just the same as speaking in absolutes... only simpletons.

    A couple small examples of police officers being part of the community, not part of the problem......

    When I was in school, I dated an SRO's daughter..... interesting to say the least. She went to my school and he was assigned to same school.

    Later on, a different SRO used to show up to shoot with us on the weekends. He knew us. We were just all a bunch of good ole' boys that enjoyed blowing off steam. Despite the fact that some weren't old enough to be in possession of long guns, let alone handguns, we were all safe and there were no issues.

    When I was in college, there was student apartment for the on-campus job I worked. Needless to say, it was a mecca for all of us to hang out, drink, and get a bit loud. The guys that were living there kept hunting and sporting arms there. Several times, the cops would show up and talk guns / hunting and leave after they were satisfied. This was long before any of this campus-carry stuff started.

    Recently, there was a police officer shot in the head here in Dickson county. That officer was related to a good friend of my family. He was stopped for what appeared to be a broken down vehicle. It turned out to be a little more- domestic situation. Without warning, the male driver shot him in the head. Talk about a good guy, trying to help people.... small town too.

    Violence begets violence I guess. The police are more militant because their job has become more dangerous. A recent post said that small towns don't need SWAT teams or tactics. Question- how many Monkeys live in a small town and have SWAT weapons and tactics? Are we willing to give up those military-style weapons? If we think we need them, why shouldn't the small town cop patrolling the woods and open fields looking for meth cookers get the same? Would Barney's old revolver suffice?

    It seems in these discussions, people lump Barney in with the Feds at Ruby Ridge and Waco. That's not a fair shake. In fact, its outright wrong. Are there bad cops elsewhere... sure. Is that one that bad-mouthed you while writing you a ticket part of the "police state" problem... maybe. Maybe he just didn't have his Wheaties. Regardless, the % of police officers that are legitimate problems are extremely low.

    I think that we, as freedom loving Americans, would be wrong to demonize and place those individuals on the other side of some imaginary line and create an "us and them". They are a strong asset. Policemen are older than our Constitution in this country. In places that did not have a police force, the militia did the deed....*gasp* a real military-police state in early America?

    Having said that, a lot more Americans draw the line and take shots at Police Officers everyday. They are generally tried and sentenced. The public sentiment does not sit well with people that kill police officers. One could easily equate it to how people feel about Timothy McVeigh. While his politics interest most of us, his means were horrible and wrong. Some people around here are really light with the taking of human life. My guess is that they haven't taken much of it.

    There is a lot of hot talk on this forum these days about action. Its always subtle and camouflaged, but its intent is clear. Some won't quit because they just "want to watch the world burn." My thought is "be careful what you ask for."

    As for the article, its nothing but the old familiar tune of those that are trying to "spark" something. How "unalienable" = license to kill is beyond me. There is a lot more to it than that simplistic equation. You will pay for that death. Its as simple as that. There are a lot of punishments on the books for infringing on rights, but I don't think any involve gun justice in the street without that due process and fair trial that we all seem to be screaming about.

    Lock and delete this thread before us Monkeys end up on the news. Its going nowhere fast. Its certainly not winning any new members here since the only disagreement to this was a newbie that got his head bit off (Monkeys aren't known for diversity).
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