Which Rights simply don't matter anymore?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by kellory, Mar 31, 2016.


  1. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Please list your Rights (by number is fine) in order of importance to you. Desending order from most important to least.
    Please list any you feel are no longer valid, and should not longer be backed by the full weight of law, or should be revoked or rescinded. (Please list reasons for these choices.)
    This is a serious question, for serious discussion, so please keep it on track. If this goes sideways, I will delete it.
     
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  2. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    could you go 1st so we have an example?
     
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  3. Bishop

    Bishop Monkey+

    Freedom of speech you can say what you want your still going to be held accountable for what you say.
     
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  4. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

    Good question because @kellory could be talking about Declaration of Independence or Declaration of the Rights of Man or something totally different. But then I cannot imagine some simply not mattering because behind every one is history and history matters.
     
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  5. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Stick to the bill of Rights, and the Constitution.
     
  6. Seepalaces

    Seepalaces Monkey+ Site Supporter+

    So, as far as constitutionally dictated rights, I would start with the right to bear arms. I think other rights are G-d given and stem from the fact that we can (1) defend ourselves and (2) revolt against tyranny. I think freedom of speech and conscience would be second. I think I'd include due process/innocent until proven guilty/trial by jury/speedy trial third. I expect that search and seizure would be tied with freedom of movement.
     
  7. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I still don't know what you are asking for Kellory.... example please?
     
  8. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I eat vegetables. My friends are not vegetables.

    I'm getting pressed for time right now, but I'll list a few:
    Amendments 1,2 4,5, & 6--first. But I'd rank them 2,1, 4, 5, & 6.
     
  9. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    All rights are equal in the eyes of the law....but with out the 2nd...all the rest have no means of protection by We the People from a tyrannical government.
     
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    By definition, the Constitution includes the Bill of Rights and all other amendments. I would personally put the first ten amendments all as first importance. The rest are second rank and worth changes.
     
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  11. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

    Says the white male.....

    ^^ said with love, affection and sarcasm.
     
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  12. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    As an example:
    The Third Amendment (Amendment III) to the United States Constitution places restrictions on the quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent, forbidding the practice in peacetime."

    Is it still valid or any less valid than it was the day it was inscribed? Do you see any reason to allow this right to weaken or be done away with? Is it still of importance and if so where would it rank?
     
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  13. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    The 2nd is number one.
     
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  14. Gray Wolf

    Gray Wolf Monkey+++

    I have no use for the one on prohibition, which was repealed, but the rest are all necessary, and not to be trifled with.
    The second is the prime, without it, all the others are at the mercy of the government.
     
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  15. duane

    duane Monkey++

    I do not think that the order or importance of the first ten defined rights have changed and unfortunately we may well have a definition problem with the 3 rd now. In their days, the state quartering troops in your house and requiring you to feed them was about the only infringement on your rights to control your property. Now then can take you water rights, require a license to sell your goods, require building permits and control your "improvements", confiscate it with property taxes and fees, tell you who you can rent to, and we could go for hundreds of other infringements to the third. All of the amendments were broadly written to create a framework that would insure that broad right. We have lost the third and the powers that be never allowed it to be developed, all the rest are in serious trouble. The only real change is that the loss of the 10 th, state rights, has changed the nature of our government and created a central big government and with the development of the cults of personality, bureaucracy and political ideology that now dominate the central government, it leaves the local governments, only the powers that they wish the states to have, within a framework controlled by the central government. The tail is truly wagging the dog.
     
  16. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Since the Constitution and the Bill of Rights only enumerates rights that are God-given to all men, I am going to have to say they are all important and cannot be trifled with.
     
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  17. Seepalaces

    Seepalaces Monkey+ Site Supporter+

    I like the discussion. I wouldn't change the bill of rights. I feel the founding fathers had a reason for their decision making. I'm pretty open minded, but I don't think most of us can aspire to the intelligence that put that document together. There's a complicated procedure to change the document, and I think there's a reason for that.
     
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  18. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    they're fine the way they are.... although where the 2nd is concerned any change IMHO would be "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." is all that is really needed. The militia part would be something like "For in this manner may they defend themselves, their families, homes, communities, nation, and constitution in the form of a militia" ?
     
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  19. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++

    This is a very, VERY good question and it deserves consideration in its answer however I cannot respond this evening and would like time to refresh my memory and read the Constitution and Bill of Rights prior to answering. But, frankly, I doubt there is much to change or much I would let go...we'll see.
     
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  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    #1: Burn it all down and start over. Everything required to make this happen is an equal (right to bear arms, shit in the woods, etc.)
    You are sovereign, and any "government" exists only at the sufferance of WE, the PEOPLE. Your rights (all of them) are unalienable --even the ones not explicitly outlined by decree and written on parchment. Any government outlined by the Constitution should only exist to secure our rights, never to abrogate them. And so, here it is. This is your past as well as your destiny:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
    are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator
    with certain unalienable rights; that among these
    are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to
    secure these rights
    , governments are instituted among
    Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of
    the governed
    ; that whenever any form of government
    becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right
    of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute
    new government, laying its foundation on such principles,
    and organizing its powers in such form, as to
    them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and
    happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments
    long established should not be changed for light
    and transient causes
    ; and accordingly all experience
    hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer,
    while evils are sufferable than to right themselves
    by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
    invariably the same object, evinces a design
    to reduce them under absolute despotism
    , it is their
    right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,
    and to provide new guards for their future security.

    AMEN.

    *note* The answer is not to simply threaten to use your firearms, it is to make a tyrannical "government" obsolete. Stand together and form a new future, stop supporting a despotic corporate oligarchy. The answer is to create a new government. Our government --of the people, for the people, by the people. No more corporate America.
     
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