Why I won't debate gun control.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Thunder5Ranch, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    I am not even sure how to respond to this mentality anymore. The same person that made the comment below on the other hand is in the "No sympathy for Vegas victims as it was just the NeoCons culling their own herd." School of thinking.

    "I am sorry i just don't like the idea of guns, for sport its ok as long as the guns are kept at the gun range, under the close supervision of regulators or law enforcement but if I had my way nobody not even law enforcement would have them (they could have access to them when needed though)

    what makes a gun ok but not a rocket launcher or icbm or nuke? - yes i know you think that argument is a bit silly but to me guns are silly outside of extreme use cases

    I cant see any reason for anyone to have one in their homes, let alone on their person or vehicle in a unregulated environment. The inner drive to posses and own these devices of death to me is a clear sign of significant mental illness"
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  2. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    To each their own. Just don't expect me to go gentle into the night.
  3. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Homicide does not require guns .
    If you keep up with world news there are volumes of means people use to kill one another including vehicles .
    May be we should remove those too. wait no criminals don't care about the law, nor do politicians either . They exempt them selves.
    The second amendment was not established for hunting, but for the people to have an edge against a tyrannical government.
    Shooting ranges give the citizens a place to practice their skills in the event it becomes necessary to make a stand .
    We who have guns and cary them know that the criminal element cary guns, and knives, and explosives, and are more than willing to use them against others , but in areas people are known to have and cary their guns, criminals are less likely to attempt something stupid .
    Gun free zones are a open invitation for the criminal element to take advantage of .
    Be sure an put a sign on your door "This is a gun free zone"
    Please ,
    thank you.
  4. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    Any politician that is on a gun control kick should be PROHIBITED from having ANY security and prohibited from owning any firearm.
  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    It's like what bikers say,
    "If I have to explain it to you, you will never understand."
    Or as I tell them,
    "You do not have the right to tell me how to live, and I won't give you the privilege of doing so."
  6. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Im not turning in anything EVER.
  7. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    These people are why I reached the point some time back that I would stop the title of this thread after the first 4 words...
  8. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    On the idiot box this morning they showed a lawn dart, illegal to sell in the US, an a tricked out AR15, legal to sell, and went into a tirade with cheers from their tame audience. I wish they would have shown a Bible instead. In many countries in this world, if your parents were of a certain religion, you can be executed for reading it. Yet the left screams about gun control. getting along with Islam, etc, and wonders why I, with my belief system and nearly 80 years experience on this earth, feel threatened and desire a means of protecting myself when the local law is only 45 min away, if the telephone system works, it isn't a weekend, or 4 AM, there are no other calls, and the roads are good and everything is normal.
  9. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    The litmus test of a free citizen vs a subject boils down to the right to keep and bear arms.

    Those on the left want to be subjects of a benevolent parent government. How many of those governments culled their citizens in the 20th century to the tune of MILLIONS? Such is the reality of the utopias of the left.

    We on the right demand to be free citizens and are willing to accept the consequences of our choices. The Republics comprised of free citizens dare not face the consequences of abusing their power against those citizens. The less free, the greater the abuse. The US is still mostly free but continues to have our freedoms taken away a grain of sand at a time.
  10. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    There are a couple of good articles/videos on Fox News about gun control today, good information. For example, the myth about Australia's gun control. The two things that jumped out at me about it is 1) there are more guns now in Australia than in 1996 when it went into effect and these guns are in the hands of criminals and those people that are owning them illegally (basically the law has turn honorable citizens into criminals). And, 2) murder rate hasn't dropped that much but when compared to the USA where guns increased greatly in the same time frame the USA murder rate has truly nose dived.

    Politicians can do their kabuki dance all they want but, in the current political time frame, any of those yo-yo's that seriously try gun control will be voted out on their butts. England has had 5 terrorists attacks this year (IIRC), France today announced special police powers to take down the terrorists so...so they are not going to try to take American citizens firearms in the current political climate. In fact, it appears that even higher courts are starting to weigh-in against the cities and states that make carry concealed permit impossible to get. Anyway, I won't talk about it because Gun Control is a null point, won't happen. Now, maybe Bump Fire Stocks might be outlawed but apparently they're are rather easy to make so...

    @apache235 "Any politician that is on a gun control kick should be PROHIBITED from having ANY security and prohibited from owning any firearm."
    Ahem, brother... Even that Congressman that got shot recently (at baseball game, I think) says he is pro-gun now. Geez, I wonder why?
  11. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I eat vegetables. My friends are not vegetables.

    The leftist mindset that would always disarm others--but never themselves--is exactly what creates genocide and fosters political systems like the Pol Pot regime.

    The dictator mentality, once freed from the fear of the consequences of its actions, knows no limits, and will draw the line at nothing.

    That CNN twerp that had no sympathy for the victims of the Las Vegas shootings is, literally, a monster that just hasn't had a chance to be fully recognized as one.

    She is one of the ones that would cheerfully murder the world if there was no one to stop her.

    I'm the only one I trust to protect me from people like her.
  12. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @UncleMorgan "I'm the only one I trust to protect me from people like her."
    Exactly! This what befuddles me whenever I hear talk of any gun control which would take one's firearm or make it difficult or impossible to obtain and/or carry one. I mean, what practical, logical, intelligent person can honestly look at the real world and say that I will be safer without my firearm? How can they come to that conclusion? Are they going to put an armed LEO on each corner? Maybe RoboCops? I just don't get it... Yet, they will look right in the camera and spew this idiotic nonsense. If I have learned one thing in all my travels and all my years it is the world is a hostile environment where, if given the opportunity, the strong will abuse the weak. And, they wish to disarm me? .......... I wonder if they know that if they were to open this flood gate and try to disarm the citizens of this country that there would be no turning back and it could indeed have 'Unintended Consequences' (pun intended) of the likes they have never dreamed? It actually could be the spark because I know I would not accept or abide by such a law because in my eyes it would be unlawful, directly in opposition to our Constitution. And, I would not care how they colored or perfumed it...it still would be crap.

    This nut job in Vegas would have got firearms some how and some way and even if he didn't they found bomb making materials in his vehicle.
  13. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Well when your political base is in favor of abortion and euthanasia, you might have a problem defining the period in between, just my opinion, but seems to be a slippery slope. Guns are bad and we can not trust people to use them, but it is ok to drive a 6,000 lb SUV down the highway at 70 MPH at the age of 18 and hopefully not text at the same time. I shudder and refuse to think about it when I am driving to work at 6.30 in the dark, on a 20 ft wide hiway, meeting a semi truck that weighs 80,000 pounds, approaching each other at 120 MPH and planning to miss each other by 4 feet. Hoping the driver is awake, sober, paying attention, that the truck is working ok and that no one is trying to pass either of us. I love the way the powers that be pick a subject, guns, herion, illegal use of pain killers and make a crusade out of it and ignore the real problems. What has happened that the people I work for can no longer find any one with a work ethic, that shows up on time daily, does his job and is polite to the customers and can pass a drug test and be bonded. It really will destroy the business if the customers feel it necessary to have someone accompany your help as they don't trust them
  14. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor Site Supporter+

    The First amendment Guarantees you the ability to state your opinion in public or in private. Even if 99% of the population may disagree with your opinion. Sometimes depending on what your position is, like say, believing everyone should be allowed to have sex with children. Well I think you will see that the majority of the population enacted legislation to make that particular perversion a crime. You will note that this was not addressed in the constitution (the law of the land), but instead it was considered outside of the duties of the federal government, and local and State governments enacted their own laws making it a crime. The 2nd amendment does not require you to own arms (or does it?) (a standing army is definitely a no no with regard to the constitution, but yet we have one) (additionally in the second amendment there is a provision for a ready militia of able bodied men. somewhere that is defined as 18-45). Many believe the bill of rights (the 1st ten amendments) were written numerically as they were prioritized. The second amendment is thus about 3 primary things, Being able to protect one's self and that of their loved ones. Being able in a pinch to throw together a local militia as required by the federal or State government to resist and or repel foreign invaders. And lastly being a force and a threat to Domestic Tyranny.
    I hope for your sake you never have the unfortunate and unfathomable in your case unintended consequence of finding yourself unarmed and incapable of protecting yourself or the lives of your loved ones. Evil in this world, and in this nation does truly exist and can be unbelievably cruel and heartless. One would have to be a little foolish not to realize this as fact. I hope you have a God, and that is one who will always and forever protect you. I do not mean any of this to be an insult to you. You have a right to your opinion, and I have a right to mine. On your opinion above we will have to agree to disagree.
    May my God bless you, and keep you and yours safe. BTW, before you consider ranting at me because I insinuated you were a little foolish, ...... well you stated that I as a gun owner am significantly crazy. tit for tat.
  15. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    "CONGRESS shall make no law..." guarantees only that Congress will make no law (of course as we see it does nothing whatsoever to hinder congress, but that's the words' intent...)
    "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is a prohibition on anybody, not just Congress.
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I got your back, and the others as well. Nice to have allies that can shoot and know where to aim.
  17. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I had a debate with my favorite niece yesterday. She is against guns, her father, my brother, killed himself with a revolver in 2000. She blames the gun and I had to tell her some hard truths, that he made a choice. It was his choice, would she have rather he used a table saw? Our son was killed three years ago with a 1911 I had given him. The gun didn't kill him, the person that pulled the trigger did. There were 372 people killed by rifles in the U.S. in 2016 and that includes justifiable shootings and suicides. Only a small portion of the rifles used were the evil black rifles but that doesn't matter. There were 474 people killed with hammers, 1101 with knives, 716 with bare hands and feet, that doesn't matter either.
  18. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    Well if we could just ban the sheeple from owning guns there would be no murder, no crime and we could all live happily ever after, right? I mean Cain killed Able with a gun, right? The 100 Years War was fought with ARs and AKs, right? The Crusaders would never have invaded the Holy Land with some sort of full autos, right? Drug dealers wouldn't need gun any more, right? North Korea is a perfectly safe democracy now that everyone is disarmed, right? If only our side had guns then we would be benevolent dictators and only we would decide what rights you right wing degenerate scum get, right? After all we know that we can't be trusted with guns, or freedom, or personal responsibility, so we feel that you shouldn't be either

    And then some one tells me if we could just understand these people, if we could just see their point of view we could all live happily ever after. Right. Tell that to the guy who had a TRUMP sign in his yard who had his commie-tard neighbor come over and kill him because he did not support the "left" candidate.
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  19. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    Why is no one banning THESE dangerous devices?!

    A Camden woman is facing murder charges in the beating of her boyfriend last month.

    Jason Lewis, 35, was conscious, but bleeding from the head after he said he had been beaten by his girlfriend with a pair of frying pans, according to the Camden County Prosecutor.

    Cole was apprehended without incident after being charged with murder, and awaits a pre-trial detention hearing.

    Last edited: Oct 5, 2017
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  20. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    The Florida Dem's are once again rattling thier sabers, OUT LAW Assault Rifles.
    Perhaps they shall finally find a definition that won't Out Law every semi-automatic firearm manufactured.
    But then again, why would they?

    So let me pose a question. If Full Automatic Firearms have been basically banned from the general public, why can't they legislate that Semi-Automatic Firearms can basically be banned from the general public?

    Don't forget that would allow all Firearm Wielding Republicans the opportunity to own & operate all manually operated firearms.

    PS. What is the time differential between a manually operated pump shotgun & a semi-automatic shotgun?

    Somehow I believe that this will eventually get to magazine size "Uncle Bill Ruger" and gas operated Semi-automatic, and there well could be a legislative ban on owning or operating these firearms by the general public.
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