Why seeds (catalogs) are evil...

Discussion in 'The Green Patch' started by VHestin, Jan 24, 2014.


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  1. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Just finished up my seed inventory, and I have to double check the green room because I thought I still had some horned melon, sunberry, woad, henna, and garden huckleberry seeds(the RO stands for reorder, FYI):

    SALAD GREENS
    Select Salad Blend Lettuce(Crimson Butter, Red Salad Bowl, Iceberg, Bibb, Lolla Rossa)
    Green Looseleaf Deer Tongue Lettuce
    Bok Choy(RO?)
    Looseleaf Cabbage(RO?)
    Grand Rapids Leaf Lettuce
    Tom Thumb Butterhead Lettuce
    Victoria Butterhead Lettuce
    Crisp Mint Romaine
    Tendergreen Spinach Mustard Greens
    Drunken Woman Frizzy Headed Butterhead Lettuce
    Parris Island Cos Romaine
    Iceberg Lettuce
    Red Sails Lettuce
    Mustard Greens(unknown variety)
    Black Seeded Simpson Lettuce
    Vates Non-Heading Collard Greens
    Early Golden Acre Cabbage
    Osaka Purple Mustard Greens
    Arugula
    Globe Purple Top Turnips
    Broad Leaved Full Heart Endive
    Seven Top Turnip Greens
    Gurney’s Mustard Mix
    Regal Hybrid Spinach
    Red Giant Mustard Greens


    FRUITS
    Bush Cherry
    Casaba Melon
    Moon and Stars Watermelon
    Crane Melon
    Golden Midget Watermelon
    Sugar Baby Watermelon


    GRAINS
    Kamut Wheat
    Hell’s Canyon Millet
    Barley(unknown variety)
    Oats(RO?)
    Rye
    Amaranth(RO?)
    Quinoa(RO?)


    VEGETABLES
    Adzuki Beans
    Snow Peas
    Sweet Chocolate Bell Pepper(RO!)
    Bright Lights Swiss Chard Mix(RO?)
    Straight 8 Cucumbers
    Gourmet Yellow Stuffer Tomatoes(RO?)
    Round Black Spanish Radish
    Bulls Blood Beets
    Champion Radish
    Midnight Black Turtle Beans
    Watermelon Radish
    Romanesco Broccoli(RO!)
    Easter Egg II Blend Radish
    Purple Beans(unknown variety)
    Miniature Blue Ornamental Corn
    Carrots(unknown variety)
    Snoball X Cauliflower
    Hungarian Hot Wax Peppers
    Fordhook 242 Lima Beans
    Maraca Hybrid Mix Pepper
    Armenian Cucumber
    California Wonder Bell Pepper
    Detroit Dark Red Beet
    Kuttiger Carrots
    Northstar Bell Pepper
    Danvers Half Long Carrot
    Chocolate Cherry Tomato
    Lemon Cucumbers
    Rainbow Blend Carrots
    Hungarian Hot Wax Peppers
    Little Lucy Okra
    Japanese Long Purple Eggplant
    Cayenne Pepper(RO?)
    Leeks(unknown variety)
    Corn(unknown variety)
    Pumpkin(unknown variety)
    California Blackeye #5 Cowpeas
    Small Sugar Pumpkin
    Cylindra Beet
    Serrano Chili Pepper
    Early Purple Vienna Kohlrabi
    Vegetable Marrow Squash
    Red Tomato(unknown variety)
    Improved Hubbard Squash
    Jack O’Lantern Pumpkin
    Cherokee Purple Tomatoes
    Table Queen Squash
    Rainbow Hybrid Sweet Pepper Mix
    Jalapeno Pepper
    Purple Tomatillo
    Catskill Brussel Sprouts
    Disoy Soybeans
    Martian Jewels Sweet Corn
    Scarlet Runner Bean(RO!)
    Cherry Tomatoes(unknown variety)
    White Globe Purple Top Turnips
    Sugar Beets
    Gold Rush Bush Zucchini(RO?)
    Marketmore 86 Cucumbers
    White Pattypans(RO!)
    Gold Tomato(unknown variety)
    Casper White Pumpkin
    Rainbow Heirloom Tomato Mix
    Scarlet Nantes Carrot
    Ruby Queen Beet
    Blue Jade Corn(RO!)
    Earth Tones Dent Corn(RO?)
    Royal Burgundy Early Bush Bean
    French Tickler Corn
    Turnip(unknown variety)
    Yellow Pear Tomatoes
    Squash(unknown variety)


    MISCELLANEOUS
    Strawberry Spinach
    Dipper Gourd
    Indigo
    Ornamental Mixed Gourds
    Smoking Tobacco
    Bird House Gourds
    Job’s Tears(RO!)
    Luffa Gourd
    Amish Rainbow Blend Broom Corn
    Brown Flax
    Mini Bottle Gourds
    Cat Grass
    Bushel Gourds
    Pumpkin-On-A-Stick
    Swan Gourd
    Red & White Cypress Vine
    Blue Fescue
    Apple Gourd
    Mixed Varieties Cactus(Saguaro, Hedgehog, Fishook Barrel, Dollar Prickly Pear, Desert Prickly Pear, Christmas Cholla, Cane Cholla, Santa Rita Prickly Pear, Cardo’n)
    Cotton(RO!!!)


    HERBS
    Bouquet Dill
    Lavendar
    Fenugreek
    Lovage
    Krausa Parsley
    Fernleaf Dill
    Marjoram
    Italian Parsley
    Cumin
    Lemongrass
    Oregano
    Watercress
    Cilantro/Coriander
    Sage
    Lemon Balm
    Anise
    Dark Opal Purple Basil
    Stevia
    Lemon Basil
    Walla Walla Onions
    Pleurisy Root
    Cinnamon Basil
    Summer Savory
    White Lisbon Bunching Onions
    Long Island Mammoth Dill
    Sweet/Genovese Basil
    German Chamomile
    Mint
    Lettuce Leaf Basil
    Thyme
    Caraway
    Plain Single Parsley
    Siam Queen Thai Basil
    Rosemary
    Echinacea


    FLOWERS
    Snow-in-Summer
    Barlow Mix Columbine
    Giants of California Zinnia
    Zulu Prince Daisy
    Bon Bon Mixed Calendula
    Sparky Mixed Colors Marigold
    Dwarf Sunny Red Cosmos
    Giant Scarlet Flame Zinnia
    Dwarf Double Mixed Colors Marigold
    Bells of Ireland(RO!!!)
    Dwarf French Mixed Marigold(RO?)
    Chinese Lantern
    Double Mixed Colors Moss Rose(RO?)
    Crackerjack Mixed Colors Marigold
    Lilac(light purple flowers)
    Mixed Colors Morning Glory
    Jolly Jester Marigold
    Polka Dot Mixed Colors Bachelor Buttons(RO!)
    Dwarf Pumila Sprite Mixed Colors Zinnia
    Florist Mixed Colors Verbena
    Bright Lights Mixed Cosmos
    Petite Orange Marigold
    Giant Mixed Morning Glory
    Zebrina
    French Lemondrop Marigold
    Giant Cactus Mixed Colors Zinnia
    Forget-Me-Nots
    Vista Formula Mixed Salvia
    Pearly Gates Morning Glory
    Dreamland Mixed Zinnia
    Sunflowers(unknown variety)
    Extra Dwarf Mixed Sweet William
    French Dwarf Double Mixed Colors Marigold
    Gypsophila
    Pacific Giants Mixed Colors Delphinium
    Crimson Rambler Morning Glory

    They wouldn't be so evil if not for the cross-pollination dangers meaning I can only plant one kind of corn, melon, carrot, beet, squash, cucumber, etc every year.
     
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  2. Matteo10572

    Matteo10572 Monkey+

    Isn't corn a grain?

    Doesn't it bother you that you are stocking up with some hybrid seeds that you will not get good viable seed from the plants?
     
  3. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    I put corn into vegetables because it's my list. And the majority of my seeds are not hybrids, I don't know where you got that from. The ones I buy, I make sure they are not hybrids(was disgusted with last year's Seeds of Change catalog, most of it was hybrids...for those who don't know, if you see an F1 in the item listing, it's a hybrid). Any hybrids I do have were given to me by someone else. This is only of course the seeds I have, it does not include the multitude of food-bearing plants I have. And I refuse to buy any plants that have a trademark/copyright symbol after their name.
     
  4. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    The idea you can't get viable seed from hybrids is somewhat incorrect. You won't get plants that breed true to type, that's true, but most of the time they WILL produce. You just don't know what you'll get. I started my sunflower strain out using a bag of Walmart bird seed... and all commercial black oil sunflowers are hybrids. F1 crop was everywhere, from three or four big gorgeous heads, 20% stalks with upwards of a dozen tiny useless heads on them, and the majority having medium sized heads I pulled seed from the biggest, best heads. F2 there was still variation, but the majority were big and nice. Going on F3 this year. I am hoping by the F5 generation I'll have a strain that breeds around 90% consistent.

    I've done the same with jalapenos too, crossing Tams with Gigantica hoping for a bigger pepper without the scream inducing heat.
     
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  5. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    I want to buy some ghost chili seeds this year. We don't do (hot)peppers in our household, I just want to try it as a curiousity.
     
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  6. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    this is an interesting post !!!!
    vhestin do you currently gow all of the types of things you are posting or just keep the suppy of seeds on hand ???
     
  7. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    I have not always been successful with germination, but most I do try to. Corn, squash(including pumpkins), cucumbers, melons, carrots, beets, dill, mint, they all have cross-pollination issues so I have to try and only do one type a year of them. Well I have more than one mint, but they're well seperated. Oh I'm not sure if I still have mulberry seeds. The cactus mix and the horned melon, those are ones my mother wanted.
     
  8. Matteo10572

    Matteo10572 Monkey+

    I apologize for offending you with my response.

    Yes you canput corn wherever you want because it is your list, I was just thinking corn was a grain.

    Yes the majority of your sees are not hybrids, but some are. I was just asking if that was an issue for you. I was not trying to get your hackles up. I was interested in the corn because I have had a difficult time finding good non hybrid corn.

    I get it from here.
    Good Life Garden -- Crops

    I thought you posted your seed list for public viewing so that others( including myself might respond).

    Ditch witch,
    My use of the term viable was wrong. I meant the genetic F1 gen issues as you pointed out.

    I think I am going to take a break from this site for a while. Some seem to be wound a little tight lately.

    I wish you all well.
     
  9. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    I tried for a few years to make a bi-color blue and white miniature corn using Blue Jade and Silver Queen. I never could get beyond F1, always had some yellow crop up thanks to someone else's corn patch. With our winds, if you have a neighbor growing corn within 3 miles it gets mixed. I think it was Baker Creek that said they'd lost like half their heirloom corn lines because of cross pollination contamination. I honestly don't know how you could keep a strain pure any more short of bagging the ears and hand pollinating it all.
     
  10. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    By living on an island in the middle of the ocean where you grow it ;) Either that or buy up a few hundred/thousand acres and grow it right smack dab in the middle.
     
  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Hydroponics. In your basement in a separate room from your pot.;)
     
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  12. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    You don't grow pot seperate, you grow it with catnip, or tomatoes. Dried catnip looks like dried pot(how I know that is nobody's business). And mixed in with tomatoes, people coming to your basement(are you stupid enough to have them there?) won't notice it, their brain will make them think it's tomatoes too.
     
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  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    I had great sucess last year with Bell's, Cayenne & Jalapeno's... the Habanero's were slow and still not ready when the frost hit. This was the first time for us to do peppers and the crop turned out well. This year I will stick to the Cayenne & Jalapeno's.
     
  14. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    I have awful luck with Bells. Bugs tear them up. I started growing Marconis and Corno di Toros a few years ago and have much better luck. For some reason the bugs don't like them much.

    I got so many Habaneros off of 3 plants grown in rabbit poo last year that after we'd done all the salsa and hot sauce and jelly, I still had 2 gallon bags full. They're in the freezer. No idea what to do with 'em. We tried stuffing and bacon wrapping a few, tossing them on the grill. I like hot, but yeah. No.
     
  15. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    I had something eat half of one of my bell peppers(the actual fruit, not the plant) few years back. It didn't take it off the plant, so I just nipped it off and saved the seeds. Oh and companion planting basil and tomatoes works, sometimes too well. My one cherry tomato just kept putting out TONS of fruit, to the point where they couldn't all get to maturity before cold weather.
     
  16. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    DW dry them out and grind them into a powder. Easier to regulate the temp of your cooking. :)
     
  17. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    I did that once. The Mr. wanted some powdered Habanero to slip into one of his co-worker's snuff can. I wasn't thinking when I took the lid off the blender with my face right over it. Was like powdered napalm.
     
  18. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    thats reall mature
     
  19. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    It's a building full of men ages 18-65. They do things like fart and use the air compressor hoses to blow it at each other. *shrug*
     
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  20. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    No, air hoses are for launching firecrackers across the warehouse....:rolleyes:
     
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