Discussion in 'Turf and Surf Hunting and Fishing' started by Quigley_Sharps, Feb 15, 2010.
Yep and that is what I'd be doing.
I am also going to say wolf.
If that is a coyote... it's wayyyy too large. A coyote that large would not be considered a "scavenger" in my book. He has become a "predator".
I know some would say "why shoot it"? While, I generally agree with you. I don't think sport hunting coyotes (or other predators) is smart, needed, or even moral. That animal is prowling a neighborhood. Obviously pretty desperate to be there with the smell of man everywhere. He is either A)unafraid of man or B) dangerously ravenous with hunger. It's only a matter of time before someone's dog or worse.... someone's kid gets mauled/ killed. That is unacceptable in my book. I would shoot it on principle.
Like stated before, I don't generally shoot predators for fun. Just doesn't tickle me. In my younger days, I would have shot about anything for the chance. These days, it had best feed the family.
1. Predators that are dangerous to man inside/ near a town (like the one above)
2. Predators that stalk man- I hunt in mountain lion country a lot. If one stalks me, it's over. Same for bears.
3. Predators that kill livestock.
4. A clear overabundance of predators that game is dwindling. This is so touchy-feely. There is good evidence that it is impossible to "shoot coyotes off a piece of land". Their territorial ways leave a lot of coyotes that have no territory. These simply move in on free land. Plus, I think that if there were an overabundance of predators, the dwindling game would make them quickly resort to eating live stock or people (see rules #1, #2, and #3).
If we think more like the greenies, we will quickly find ourselves as food on the lower part of the food chain. I don't much like being eaten.
The big mistake they made in 'reintroducing' the wolf is that these are NOT your grandaddy's wolves. These are the bigger and more aggressive Canadian Gray Wolves, and these boys do NOT play by the same rules as the true indigenous wolf of the Lower 48. These guys kill for pleasure and to train their young - not just for food! If this wolf is in town, he has NO fear of MAN - THAT must stop now. Pop a few, leave the carcasses where they'll be found by the Pack - let them know, MAN is the Top Predator here. Otherwise, keep your pets and kids locked up.......
shoot all traspassers all still alive get shot again.
its a grey wolf. definately not a coyote.
I would probably try to feed it, armed of course.
Let it leave, then the next day set out some food a ways from the home. If I saw him there eating. Go out armed of course and observe. Maybe even throw another bone out so he knows it was I that helped him. Repeat over a period of time and may have a new buddy. I would obviously exercise caution and if any threat presented itself shoot first.
I agree with HISPeedal on shooting predators or any animal for no reason.
IMO They're just being themselves and have a right to live here like I do.
The problem with this is you accustom the wild potentially dangerous animal to humans and feed. That is why at our western national parks they say don't feed the bears. Down here it's don't feed the alligators. By feeding the wolf you would be setting it up to injure someone. Maybe even a close family member. If you don't want to kill it, and you don't want to set it up for termination as a serious danger to man, give it incentive to move along. Sting it with a pellet gun and unload a shotgun loaded to kill it if necessary with one round fired in the air as near as similtaniously as possible. It should get the idea and leave. Or, ignore it while remaining aware of it's sharing your land. When it starts on your livestock or endangers children you love, you will probably change your tune. But, don't feed the wolf!!! JMHO
"dances with wolves"
Dances with wolves was a freakin movie. Then there was the TV shows Gentle Ben, and Grizzly Adams, or Bambi, or the Bear. Take your freakin pick, but they are either BS or the exception to the rule. Wild animals are wild animals, and at times it doesn't matter how they were raised or trained, they may well react quite different from what you would expect. Just ask Siegfried and Roy ..... here kitty kitty.
Before I decided to answer this post I googled coyote attacks, wolf attacks, and bear attacks. Guess what, loss of fear of humans and food was the over riding cause of the attacks. It's stupid and irresponsible for the health and well being of the animal as well as your fellow humans to feed wild predatore animals.
There are people in this world who are going to do whatever they decide to do whether it is smart or not, without any concern for the ultimate consequences to others.....
Wolf attack a tragic, cautionary tale - SFGate
Adding to what tac just said, the bear that appeared in the movie Semi-Pro with Will Ferrell killed his trainer. Supposedly one of the best trained animals in the business... Wild animals are not to be taken lightly. They are extremely dangerous and should be treated with an overly paranoid dose of caution. Always. Just like a gun is ALWAYS loaded. Be smart and safe and we won't have to nominate you for any Darwin Awards honorable mentions!
I don't need wolves to be happy. Shoot em all.
Who's afraid of the big bad wolf
the big bad wolf.
So is it brick, twigs or straw?
Feeding or "befriending" this wolf, would be a certain recipe for disaster. At the least you would have to kill the wolf, at the worst someone would get attacked or killed. This would be foolhardy.
In Alaska, last summer while on vacation, we saw a wolf up close to the road in the Denali Park. We were on a bus, as driving that far into the Park is not allowed for private cars. You'd have to see the road to understand why, but the Park rangers were there trying to drive it away by shooting it with a paint ball gun. The bus driver said, if they couldn't get it to move away from the road area they'd have to dart it and relocate it. The danger wasn't to the bus traffic, but to the hikers who were allowed to walk the area.
I think the recent Yellowstone incident is another reason why wild animals should be eliminated once they are curious of us. Like I said before, I don't like killing for killing's sake, but I think I could have ended that situation in Yellowstone quickly without as many casualties. The end result is the same- the bear is dead, only without so many humans being hurt.
chinese food is dog, close enough
And that is the "problem" the animals suffer at the expense of urbanites frolicking in the animals territory.
my points were made under the assumption, that this was my land and billy joe suburban on vacation and momma mary and their three kids wouldn't be wandering my property.
As all humans don't react the same, all animals don't react the same. IMO this is one area where mankind has failed. He, being mankind, should have been or should be domesticating all animals, not just holding them for the tards viewing pleasure, but domesticating them, which means intensive breeding and training. We have done some animals but not the right ones, imo. Bears, deer, wolves and large cats, to name a few.
Quite frankly I think this thread has gone on long enough, but not being someone to let someone else get in the last word, when there are things they have said that I disagree with here goes....
Zero population growth was a popular idea being touted in the late 60's thru the early 80's or so. Certain ethnic and religious groups didn't get onboard with this and as such have increased their numbers and influence considerably since then. Whether that is a positive or negative is for others to decide, I will abstain from voicing my opinion on that. My point was that humans are increasing at a steady rate and they ain't making any more land. Animals and humans are going to continue to interact more and more as time goes by. All of that is irrefutable. The animals territory is going to continue to be more and more the peoples property and yes the animals are going to suffer. Better them than good humans. Yes, I can think of some humans I would like to feed to the wild animals.
As to your point being made with regard to your land. I seriously doubt that your land is limitless. It has boundries, and you have neighbors. All actions have consequences. Some of us here have tried to voice our concern for the possible consequences to your actions. I believe in small government and minimal laws. We each are responsible for our actions. It would be smart not to advertise what you are doing if you are feeding this wolf. If I were one of your neighbors and I was aware of what you were doing, I would probably kill the wolf. The wolfs death would be on you. If before I could kill the wolf it attacked and killed another neighbors child on their property or yours, you would be facing me in a court where I would testify for the neighbor who lost the child when they attempted to sue you into bankruptcy.
If I were your neighbor and I had no clue what you were doing and the wolf seemed to have a natural fear of humans and was wary about coming too close I would ignore it and enjoy the sighting. If I thought it was coming too close I would probably attempt to scare the crap out of it with a very close shot or shots to chase it off. If it came too close too many times I would kill it.
I hope you go back and read all the input on this thread and reconsider your idea of feeding this animal.
I have and not interested in your take on how wild animals should be "treated". If man doesn't want to be hurt by "wild" animals, then stop encroaching on their domain or domesticate them. LMAO good humans, it's these "good" humans that you are preparing for the worst against. now that makes me laugh.
The wolfs death would not be on me as you killed it. Silly to try to put the blame of the execution on someone else. Your fears are silly and I laugh at you , in your face if it were possible. Stay scared, and keep building that wall higher. You've more to fear from your "good" humans than you do from a hungry wolf.
Slugomist, some times I think you just talk smack to stir the pot. I don't know you well enough to know when you are serious or when you are just talking smack. If you were just pulling my chain, enjoy your laugh. I for one love mother nature, the wild as well as the harmless, and consider this a serious matter.
First I am thinking this is a cross between a wolf and a large breed of dog but, it shows when you step off the side of the road your not in...
Watch the entire film:
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Watch the release overview by J.D. King:
(Crying Wolf movie)
Idaho governor pulls state management of wolves in dispute over wolf hunt
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