Worrisome forced relocation

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  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Indulging my tin foil side: I jumped in with both feet to the to the "FEMA camps red/bluelist mythology.
    Fears That .gov has already compiled lists of "dissidents/troublemakers for "roundup and detention in the fabled Fema prison camps ready to go upon order.
    One of the procedures I find included is (also a fema related executive order)the postmaster general is tasked with the responsibility to register the populace for forced relocation assignment to government work/ concentration camps..

    Thought for today:
    What a great ( and necessary)way to subdue a populace that had 200 years to prepare for oppressive control; think you'll bug in with your full food pantry, bursting at the seams full gun safe and caches buried all over your patch of woods??? Pickup your one carry-on sized bag and get on the bus with the rest of the town...No other way to suppress a gun heavy population.

    E&Eing government sweeps and patrols is becoming an important strategy for me: been backpacking lately trying out camping hammock ideas. Pretty comfortable, Leaves no trace, sets up/breaks down rapidly.Extremely light weight in the pack.
    paranoid delusion? thoughts ?
  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Thanks for the input, MM I'm past the point of worrying about being labled "resident paranoid" around here,( hope I don't become "personna nongrata "because of it) [peep]

    I guess my point was to generate thought on avoiding being swept up in these plans...but i think that will be the line in the sand for most folks.
    "Stand up;Get on the yellow line, place your bag between your feet";
    "Move forward onto the bus, hand your card to the sergeant":
    jo momma![own2]
    I suppose this fits better(if allowed to stand at all ) in the tinfoil lounge?[tinfoil101][gone]
  3. andy

    andy Monkey+++

    the gov. has a hard enough time getting people out of there homes for natural disasters. but i could see people being convinced the nice man in uniform(god forbid i'm given orders like this) wasn't leading them astray. look what happened the the Japanese-Americans, or the jews in Germany during WWII, native americans and the trail of tears ect.ect.ect... maybe the question shouldn't be if but when?
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    last time somebody yelled at me to :"Get on the bus" I went to a hot and muggy place where I had to sleep in the same room with about 45 other guys and get up way too early! ( but we did get to shoot cool guns ).[OO] Don't think I'd be up for that again now...[kneelsuckers]b::
  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I don't intend to ever ride a bus again - for any reason, in this lifetime. [ditto]
  6. Shadowman

    Shadowman Monkey+++

    All is just preparation for ....666.... Look at the signs - they are there, read the final chapter, everything we are seeing is preparation for the coming of the Beast. It's only a matter of....time.
  7. DesertDawg

    DesertDawg Monkey+++

    Just WHO is the "they" that will be forcing us into "camps"? The government agencies, combined with our military personnel and police agencies? There isn't ENOUGH of "them" to force the remainder of "us" ANYWHERE!

    A few years ago, I got suckered into looking at a few "concentration camp" web sites. Quite interesting, but all of them were downright gibberish and paranoia-based! A couple of the "relocation centers" on one particular web site turned out to be nothing more than new construction sites....for SCHOOLS! Another "relocation center" that was located near a small airport was supposedly guarded by M-16 toting "government types", even though the structures of the center weren't occupied. I drove out there, surveyed the location, then drove up to what appeared to be the main gate (chain link fence surrounded the place). A toothless old codger stepped to the gate, with what appeared to be a Taurus revolver strapped on his hip, and he told me that the prison-like site was to be used as a juvenile criminal detention center. It did NOT look like a prison, but more like a school campus with fencing surrounding it!

    Then, let's do some really serious thinking about how many of "them" would turn and become one of "us", if there were to be massive round-ups and relocations!
    I, for one, have more faith in my fellow man than to believe that "they" are totally against "us"!

    If FEMA, the FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, and any other "alphabet" government agencies try to "conspire" with police agencies for "relocation" procedures, it's going to fall flat on its face! Heck, even the liberal/leftist Dem's will stand within the ranks of the conservatives against such tyranny....and there are a LOT more of "us" than "them"!

    On the other hand, bring on your "verifiable proof" for all of us to see! Maybe, just maybe, you can convince me that it goes beyond paranoia! Fair enough?
  8. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    "They" in the form of guard troopers who went door to door in the upscale and yet dry sections of New Orleans separating law abiding citizens from their weapons. It was all over you tube and the cause for court cases.( in the video'd footage to a man they shook their heads and
    said" I never thought we'd ever be doing this in America "and that "they didn't want to think about what they may have to do if a citizen popped round the corner with a weapon".
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    Executive orders specifying civillian populations will be registered, relocated and organized in to civilian work forces. Could that be necessary to fill sandbags or some other goodhearted community project? of course!!

    But I don't think very many here would be willing to turn over all your firearms or families stored provisions and your freedom of action on the promise the federal government will provide all.and will be benevolent in your treatment (you and yours are just useless eaters).

    They can't shove all of us around especially not enmasse, but how many keyboard commandos will fight the friendly local sheriff at the door once the internet is locked down and he doesn't have the mutual support of thousands of gun owners who haven't heard people are being incarcerated two states over at 0330 for raising their voices.or not being able to produce a gun bought on federal paper and traded off long ago
    (or whatever they make up ? perhaps you've been manufacturing "illegal-sawed of shotguns" because Special Agent Timmons here found a an 8" piece of shotgun barrel laying in plain sight on top of your trash.???

    Ask the gunshow dealers why they cover their parts bins with plexi glass?? Folks associated with Batfe would introduce illegal auto sears and other controlled class III parts, then "find them, arrest the dealer, but offer to drop the charges for info on one friend. It s not paranoia when there actually are ill things afoot nowadays..
  9. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Okay rant off:
    I don't know whats in and behind the classified sections of the country's emergency plans, but neither does the house comittee on homeland security(All cleared, with a need to know). They were denied reading the plans for continuity of the US government. How do You explain all the extra-constitutional crap we subject to??

    Authorities have been held to doing their jobs within the limits of the constitution for the safety of the citizens for 200 years.. All of a sudden we can't police our country without wiretaps, torture, RFID tags, national ID cards, denial of habbeus corpus . I don't know, I have not sold my truck yet and bought a.308, but I am standing on the digital ramparts trying to read the magic8 ball.All we can do is look into the fish bowl from the outside and try to draw pictures with the dots...Somethings up

    You can argue there are no camps, but when a "president" signs order after order relieving the populace of freedom and property; people are going to resist, they gotta plan for that or there's little use for collecting all this power in the executive. Strangely Only the executive can invoke the enactment of these provisions.by a declaration of "national emergency"

    No high energy physicist has ever seen a quark (or a nuetrino/ meson/gluon etc) but they infer their existence by watching the visible( measureable) results in the area of the particle collisions.
    We uncleared outsiders can only infer the intentions of theclassified .gov from visible indicators like laws and courtcases;and every podunk cop seems to have riot gear and an AR in the trunk.Along witha letter from the local military base commander offering support.

    Its our country too! no authority has the legal or moral right to take the republic away from our children and grandchildren.
  10. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    I agree with you Tango.... it has been done, and can be done again.

    ......... I have seen a quark though. ;)
  11. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Oh yeah the big-eared munchkin on one of the "startrek"spinoffsb::
    here I was gonna make a rude comment about "your quark is in your hand put itaway before the wife comes home and catches you looking at your QUARK"[LMAO][gone]
  12. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    DesertDawg asks legitimate questions, but, yes, we need to be vigilant because it can easily happen to a nation full of sheeple.

    My bleeding-heart liberal sister brought the "detention camp" item up with me, of course telling me it was being built by Republicans. Makes you wonder if it isn't one of the new Liberal tactics to spread FUD.

    If anyone knows of any of these "camps" in Nevada, let me know where one is so I can go scout it out. Maybe we can actually get some fruitful information and discussion from various places.
  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Justgoogle : "concentration camps" "fema camps "or "rex84"you'll be ankledeep in the "subject."wait i'll doit , there are several "lists"of "camp locations"My closest one is an army camp I know they have fences..So? but If you arer willing to check out any that'd add to the knowledge pool on this subject... http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062if

    Elko - Ten miles south of town. Wells - Camp is located in the O'Niel basin area, 40 miles north of Wells, past Thousand Springs, west off Hwy 93 for 25 miles. Pershing County - Camp is located at I-80 mile marker 112, south side of the highway, about a mile back on the county road and then just off the road about 3/4mi. Winnemucca - Battle Mountain area - at the base of the mountains. Nellis Air Force Range - Northwest from Las Vegas on Route 95. Nellis AFB is just north of Las Vegas on Hwy 604. Stillwater Naval Air Station - east of Reno . No additional data

    I hate to give the impression of being a flaming lunatic here but there's enough traffic on this stuff it bears looking into
  14. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    There are a couple within a 1/2-days drive from me. I can't give a timeline but will start on those. There are some others that I know some people that can help me look or might now more...

    Gotta go to work now...
  15. Mortis

    Mortis Snake Eater

    Let me see.......

    300,000,000 square miles of territory.

    Population in excess of 280,000,000.

    Over 3 million miles of road.

    Estimated 25% of the households have guns.

    Estimated 4.5 millions new guns being sold in this year.

    Also..... The Post Master General is no longer a member of the Cabinet. In fact, the US Post Office is basically a private concern now. How is he too gather up names??

    New Orleans was a focused incident that has been declared illegal.

    Now, Just how the heck is all this Executive Order nonsense suppose to happen when even if the military and Law Enforcement obeyed an illegal order, there is just not enough of those folks to handle the situation without taking major casualities....???
  16. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Let me know when you get ready to sell off your firearms and start that petition to ammend the constitution to allow gwbush a third term. You are right if everybody plays by the spirit of the law[cmfrt],There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about (I'm certainly not an enemy combatant.and neither are you). You are looking at all that we've seen come to pass in the most favorable trusting light.I'm not hiding under the bed but I don't trust George, Barak, hilde-beast, romney or guilianni...big money gets what it wants.

    You don't seriously believe David Rochefeller and Henry Kisinger care one drop of camel spit about casualties, do you???
    I'll not argue with a marine..

    Nothing to see here move along
    "these arent the crises you're looking for"[footinmouth]
    "Your jedi mind-tricks will do you no good devildog..."
  17. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I didn't intend to come across like an 8 year old, I posted to generate conversation, If that conversation concludes this whole idea is not worth 3mbytes`of concern, That s a valid conclusion...I can't defend alot of this stuff.and have littleto no intention of picking up my bullhorn and "donning government provided shackles" to follow behind "brother Alex" in his pilgrimage to the home camp...
  18. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Okay lights camera action:...Mortis lays out large statitics of acreage and number of rebellious gun owners and asks"How is this even possible?":
    Well suspend disbelief with me for a minute if you will,and indulge me , I seem to recall a movie from the recent past "close encounters of the third kind "where that very question ( or something close was asked, "how do you clear hundreds o of square miles of people??) You have to make them become afraid of something so they are not just willing but running out of the area. ohno
    Get out the popcorn( here goes)[pop]:

    If I was tasked to organize the military control of a gun-heavey populace( or at least write a sci fi-book about it[tinfoil101]): I would want to separate them from their guns( as willingly as possible) If an area( city town; or whatever was "contaminated by a "terrorists weapon ( which will remain non specific so a s not to draw the attention of almighty and benevolent electronic information collander...) or "Alien virus's"[alien] and fema provides trains or aircraft for evacuation to "safe quarters". "Passengers" would be processed and required to declare weapons ( if allowed at all") Oh and don't forget your claim tags Mr jones so you can retrieve your rifleat the debarkation center [LMAO](while your 5k rounds of ball are still buried in the wall of your rural home) ,.( ...All the while just for effect, the occasional person in line collapses into convulsive bloody pile of writhing arms and legs and dies gurgaling in front of his fellow townsfolk...people would not resist. at` least as most envision. Once "in the system". You are completely subject to the will of the "inn keepers"Alot like air travel today......Without the need or want to fire a shot...(
    theocasional holdout dies of "alien plague"[alien][sawgunner] the.308 fmj" boattail" variety..

    thesafe quarters (or at least the brochure handed to passengers says)"refugees" will have billetting ,dining, shopping ,Local government(yes you even get to vote), curfews and along with electronically locking doors to the "suites[lock]"for your safety."( how thoughtful) 24hour movie channel/ soft core porn channel: and"FEMOX"news who broadcast non stop images of death and dying from the "alien plague just outside the safezones...( oh daddy how lucky we are to be chosen to survive![lock]) fast food, and one factory for employment making : nbc weapons... or suburbans or whatever "Central services" decides is necessary for the war with east asia... And as we all know: East asia has always been at war with Oceania...[own2]plagiarism has always been my strong suit...
    Okay this is a hollywood summerblock buster script(?) and I'm an amatuer , point is it can be imagined ,,,
  19. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I found just a few articles from some of the many newsletters I get each week. I'm afraid I don't know the political affiliation, religion, or sexual preferences of the authors.


    What becomes of the surplus of human life? It is either, 1st. destroyed by infanticide, as among the Chinese and Lacedemonians; or 2d. it is stifled or starved, as among other nations whose population is commensurate to its food; or 3d. it is consumed by wars and endemic diseases; or 4th. it overflows, by emigration, to places where a surplus of food is attainable.
    -- James Madison, 1791

    For want of a nail the shoe is lost, for want of a shoe the horse is lost, for want of a horse the rider is lost.

    Worldwide, more than 10 million hectares of agricultural land are abandoned annually because of serious soil degradation. During the last 40 years, about 30 percent of total world arable land was abandoned because it was no longer productive. About half of the current arable land now in cultivation will be unsuitable for food production by the middle of the twenty-first century. [[34]]
    Within the first decade of the 21'st century, industrial activity will rise high enough for it to seriously degrade land fertility. This will occur because of contamination by heavy metals and persistent chemicals, climate change, salinization, topsoil loss, falling water tables, and increased levels of ultraviolet radiation from a diminished ozone layer.
    Global oil production will peak soon and the spike in oil prices will quickly exacerbate other major problems facing industrial agriculture. Food grains produced with modern, high-yield methods (including packaging and delivery) now contain between four and ten calories of fossil fuel for every calorie of solar energy. It has been estimated that about four percent of the nation's energy budget is used to grow food, while about 10 to 13 percent is needed to put it on our plates. In other words, a staggering total of 17 percent of America's energy budget is consumed by agriculture! [[35]]
    By 2040, we would need to triple the global food supply in order to meet the basic food needs of the eleven billion people who are expected to be alive. But doing so would require a 1,000 percent increase in the total energy expended in food production. [[36]] But the depletion of oil will make it physically impossible -- thus economically impossible -- to provide enough net energy to agriculture: "A recent review of the future prospects of all alternatives has been published. The summary conclusion reached is that there is no known complete substitute for petroleum in its many and varied uses." [[37]] Global food production will drop to a fraction of today’s numbers: "If the fertilizers, partial irrigation [in part provided by oil energy], and pesticides were withdrawn, corn yields, for example, would drop from 130 bushels per acre to about 30 bushels." [[38]] Obviously, death certificates have already been issued for billions of unsuspecting people.
    The dependence of industrial agriculture on fossil fuels, the declining fertility of the land, and the positive feedbacks imposed by declining net energy will force the economy to divert much more investment into the agriculture and energy sectors as part of a desperate attempt to maintain agricultural output. Government budgets must also decline in real terms as greater and greater fractions of the economy are diverted into the resource sectors.
    As resource quality and land fertility continue to fall, society will be forced to allocate more and more capital to the agriculture and resource sectors, otherwise the scarcity of food, materials, and fuels would restrict production still more -- it's circular, there is no way to avoid the positive feedback. Ultimately, industrial capacity will decline rapidly taking with it the service and agricultural sectors, which depend upon industrial inputs.
    Constrained by the laws of thermodynamics, the availability of life-supporting resources will go into a permanent, steep decline.
    In less than 20 years, the self-regulating market system will have "run out of gas" and vanished. With the market system gone, the ruling elites will fall back on the good old-fashioned means of control: a police state. In the US alone, 200 million guns in private ownership guarantee that this police state will quickly devolve into rebellion and anarchy.
    If the anarchy scenario were to reach its natural conclusion, the global elites would be eliminated by the angry masses. Those who managed to escape would die more miserably than the poor since they are unsuited for day-to-day survival because they lived their lives like queen bees.
    But when the above scenario seems inevitable, the elites will simply depopulate most of the planet with a bioweapon. [[39]] When the time comes, it will be the only logical solution to their problem. It's a first-strike tactic that leaves the built-infrastructure and other species in place and allows the elites to perpetuate their own genes into the foreseeable future: "War is a male reproductive strategy. All that is needed for the strategy to evolve, is that aggressors fight and win more often than they lose". [[40]]
    The global genocide will be rationalized as a second chance for humanity -- a new Garden of Eden -- a new Genesis. The temptation will prove irresistible:
    "Strangelove said, 'Offhand, I should say that in addition to the factors of youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross section of necessary skills, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included, to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition.'
    "The arrow had not missed its mark, and around the table there was an outbreak of sober, nodding heads. Attention was concentrated more than ever on Doctor Strangelove.
    "Strangelove went on. 'Naturally they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time and little to do. With the proper breeding techniques, and starting with a ratio of, say, ten women to each man, I should estimate the progeny of the original group of two hundred thousand would emerge a hundred years later as well over a hundred million…'"
    How could it be otherwise?

    Move out of the city! Sometime in the next couple of decades, civil authority in large US cities will simply disintegrate. And when authority goes, we know exactly what's going to happen.
    Remember the Rodney King rebellion? All that old class hatred and jealousy comes boiling to the surface. It's really going to be ugly -- you don't want to be there!
    Go somewhere where the climate is warm, with plenty of rain (just don't come here to the Kona Coast.) I don't think "ethnic cleansing" will be a big problem except in the cities (at least, not to start with).
    #2. Prepare yourself to survive without municipal power, water, or sewer services. You won't have to live without hookups initially, but you will be forced to do without them sometime in the next few decades.
    Most of the country's groundwater is already contaminated, and once sewage systems and dumps are abandoned, it will ALL become contaminated. Without power to pump or chlorine to disinfect groundwater, you really have no option except to rely on rain catchment for drinking water.
    #3. In order to survive, you are going to need a large garden. An oversized garden would allow you to exchange your extra produce to your neighbors for hard goods -- like ammunition.
    #4. Remember that you will not be able to rely on complex technology, because once supply lines break down, you won't be able to get spares. So limit yourself to technology that you can fix with a hammer and forge. (If you don't know what a "forge" is, go see an old cowboy movie.)
    Beyond these four points, just try to fit in with your community as best you can. Perhaps join a church, lodge, or club -- find someone who is willing to help you in case you are attacked.


    "Martial law" is a euphemism for military dictatorship. When foreign democracies are overthrown and a junta establishes martial law, Americans usually recognize that a fundamental change has occurred. Perhaps some conservatives believe that the only change when martial law is declared is that people are no longer read their Miranda rights when they are locked away. "Martial law" means obey soldiers’ commands or be shot. The abuses of military rule in southern states during Reconstruction were legendary, but they have been swept under the historical rug.

    Section 1076 is Enabling Act-type legislation—something that purports to preserve law-and-order while formally empowering the president to rule by decree. The Bush team is rarely remiss in stretching power beyond reasonable bounds. Bush talks as if any constraint on his war-making prerogative or budget is "aiding and abetting the enemy." Can such a man be trusted to reasonably define insurrection or disorder? Can Hillary Clinton?

    Bush can commandeer a state’s National Guard any time he declares a "state has refused to enforce applicable laws." Does this refer to the laws as they are commonly understood—or the laws after Bush fixes them with a signing statement?

    Some will consider concern about Bush or future presidents exploiting martial law to be alarmist. This is the same reflex many people have had to each administration proposal or power grab from the Patriot Act in October 2001 to the president’s enemy-combatant decree in November 2001 to the setting up the Guantanamo prison in early 2002 to the doctrine of preemptive war. The administration has perennially denied that its new powers pose any threat even after the evidence of abuses—illegal wiretapping, torture, a global network of secret prisons, Iraq in ruins—becomes overwhelming. If the administration does not hesitate to trample the First Amendment with "free speech zones," why expect it to be diffident about powers that could stifle protests en masse?

    On Feb. 24, the White House conducted a highly publicized drill to test responses to IEDs going off simultaneously in ten American cities. The White House has not disclosed the details of how the feds will respond, but it would be out of character for this president to let new powers he sought to gather dust. There is nothing more to prevent a president from declaring martial law on a pretext than there is to prevent him from launching a war on the basis of manufactured intelligence. And when the lies become exposed years later, it could be far too late to resurrect lost liberties.
  20. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    The answer to Sir Mortis's query is easy, because it will be for our own good. Out of Chaos Order. When people are scared they will except anything that offers them security. Do you doubt this? And anyone who resists is branded as un-patriotic, dissident, terrorist, anarchist.
    How could the German people have allowed millions of their own citizens to be rounded up, interred, and killed?
    Never underestimate the power of propaganda.
    In my years in the patriot movement I have never once met anyone, aside of undercover plants, who advocated the overthrow of our government. Or violence, other than defensive resistance. Yet most people today believe that all those miltia groups were a bunch of redneck militants ready to kill fellow citizens and march on washington. Shortly after 9/11 I overheard a conversation in which a man was stating his opinion that it was probably done by "them miltia nuts".

    Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. The blueprints for enslavement of a people are there and widely known.

    Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

    From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

    Tuesday April 24, 2007
    The Guardian
    Last autumn, there was a military coup in Thailand. The leaders of the coup took a number of steps, rather systematically, as if they had a shopping list. In a sense, they did. Within a matter of days, democracy had been closed down: the coup leaders declared martial law, sent armed soldiers into residential areas, took over radio and TV stations, issued restrictions on the press, tightened some limits on travel, and took certain activists into custody.

    They were not figuring these things out as they went along. If you look at history, you can see that there is essentially a blueprint for turning an open society into a dictatorship. That blueprint has been used again and again in more and less bloody, more and less terrifying ways. But it is always effective. It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy - but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

    As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated today in the United States by the Bush administration.

    Because Americans like me were born in freedom, we have a hard time even considering that it is possible for us to become as unfree - domestically - as many other nations. Because we no longer learn much about our rights or our system of government - the task of being aware of the constitution has been outsourced from citizens' ownership to being the domain of professionals such as lawyers and professors - we scarcely recognise the checks and balances that the founders put in place, even as they are being systematically dismantled. Because we don't learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of "homeland" security - remember who else was keen on the word "homeland" - didn't raise the alarm bells it might have.

    It is my argument that, beneath our very noses, George Bush and his administration are using time-tested tactics to close down an open society. It is time for us to be willing to think the unthinkable - as the author and political journalist Joe Conason, has put it, that it can happen here. And that we are further along than we realise.

    Conason eloquently warned of the danger of American authoritarianism. I am arguing that we need also to look at the lessons of European and other kinds of fascism to understand the potential seriousness of the events we see unfolding in the US.

    1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

    After we were hit on September 11 2001, we were in a state of national shock. Less than six weeks later, on October 26 2001, the USA Patriot Act was passed by a Congress that had little chance to debate it; many said that they scarcely had time to read it. We were told we were now on a "war footing"; we were in a "global war" against a "global caliphate" intending to "wipe out civilisation". There have been other times of crisis in which the US accepted limits on civil liberties, such as during the civil war, when Lincoln declared martial law, and the second world war, when thousands of Japanese-American citizens were interned. But this situation, as Bruce Fein of the American Freedom Agenda notes, is unprecedented: all our other wars had an endpoint, so the pendulum was able to swing back toward freedom; this war is defined as open-ended in time and without national boundaries in space - the globe itself is the battlefield. "This time," Fein says, "there will be no defined end."
    Creating a terrifying threat - hydra-like, secretive, evil - is an old trick. It can, like Hitler's invocation of a communist threat to the nation's security, be based on actual events (one Wisconsin academic has faced calls for his dismissal because he noted, among other things, that the alleged communist arson, the Reichstag fire of February 1933, was swiftly followed in Nazi Germany by passage of the Enabling Act, which replaced constitutional law with an open-ended state of emergency). Or the terrifying threat can be based, like the National Socialist evocation of the "global conspiracy of world Jewry", on myth.
    It is not that global Islamist terrorism is not a severe danger; of course it is. I am arguing rather that the language used to convey the nature of the threat is different in a country such as Spain - which has also suffered violent terrorist attacks - than it is in America. Spanish citizens know that they face a grave security threat; what we as American citizens believe is that we are potentially threatened with the end of civilisation as we know it. Of course, this makes us more willing to accept restrictions on our freedoms.

    2. Create a gulag

    Once you have got everyone scared, the next step is to create a prison system outside the rule of law (as Bush put it, he wanted the American detention centre at Guantánamo Bay to be situated in legal "outer space") - where torture takes place.
    At first, the people who are sent there are seen by citizens as outsiders: troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or "criminals". Initially, citizens tend to support the secret prison system; it makes them feel safer and they do not identify with the prisoners. But soon enough, civil society leaders - opposition members, labour activists, clergy and journalists - are arrested and sent there as well.
    This process took place in fascist shifts or anti-democracy crackdowns ranging from Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the Latin American coups of the 1970s and beyond. It is standard practice for closing down an open society or crushing a pro-democracy uprising.
    With its jails in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, of course, Guantánamo in Cuba, where detainees are abused, and kept indefinitely without trial and without access to the due process of the law, America certainly has its gulag now. Bush and his allies in Congress recently announced they would issue no information about the secret CIA "black site" prisons throughout the world, which are used to incarcerate people who have been seized off the street.
    Gulags in history tend to metastasise, becoming ever larger and more secretive, ever more deadly and formalised. We know from first-hand accounts, photographs, videos and government documents that people, innocent and guilty, have been tortured in the US-run prisons we are aware of and those we can't investigate adequately.
    But Americans still assume this system and detainee abuses involve only scary brown people with whom they don't generally identify. It was brave of the conservative pundit William Safire to quote the anti-Nazi pastor Martin Niemöller, who had been seized as a political prisoner: "First they came for the Jews." Most Americans don't understand yet that the destruction of the rule of law at Guantánamo set a dangerous precedent for them, too.
    By the way, the establishment of military tribunals that deny prisoners due process tends to come early on in a fascist shift. Mussolini and Stalin set up such tribunals. On April 24 1934, the Nazis, too, set up the People's Court, which also bypassed the judicial system: prisoners were held indefinitely, often in isolation, and tortured, without being charged with offences, and were subjected to show trials. Eventually, the Special Courts became a parallel system that put pressure on the regular courts to abandon the rule of law in favour of Nazi ideology when making decisions.

    3. Develop a thug caste

    When leaders who seek what I call a "fascist shift" want to close down an open society, they send paramilitary groups of scary young men out to terrorise citizens. The Blackshirts roamed the Italian countryside beating up communists; the Brownshirts staged violent rallies throughout Germany. This paramilitary force is especially important in a democracy: you need citizens to fear thug violence and so you need thugs who are free from prosecution.
    The years following 9/11 have proved a bonanza for America's security contractors, with the Bush administration outsourcing areas of work that traditionally fell to the US military. In the process, contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars have been issued for security work by mercenaries at home and abroad. In Iraq, some of these contract operatives have been accused of involvement in torturing prisoners, harassing journalists and firing on Iraqi civilians. Under Order 17, issued to regulate contractors in Iraq by the one-time US administrator in Baghdad, Paul Bremer, these contractors are immune from prosecution
    Yes, but that is in Iraq, you could argue; however, after Hurricane Katrina, the Department of Homeland Security hired and deployed hundreds of armed private security guards in New Orleans. The investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill interviewed one unnamed guard who reported having fired on unarmed civilians in the city. It was a natural disaster that underlay that episode - but the administration's endless war on terror means ongoing scope for what are in effect privately contracted armies to take on crisis and emergency management at home in US cities.
    Thugs in America? Groups of angry young Republican men, dressed in identical shirts and trousers, menaced poll workers counting the votes in Florida in 2000. If you are reading history, you can imagine that there can be a need for "public order" on the next election day. Say there are protests, or a threat, on the day of an election; history would not rule out the presence of a private security firm at a polling station "to restore public order".

    4. Set up an internal surveillance system

    In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. The Stasi needed to keep only a minority of East Germans under surveillance to convince a majority that they themselves were being watched.
    In 2005 and 2006, when James Risen and Eric Lichtblau wrote in the New York Times about a secret state programme to wiretap citizens' phones, read their emails and follow international financial transactions, it became clear to ordinary Americans that they, too, could be under state scrutiny.
    In closed societies, this surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.

    5. Harass citizens' groups

    The fifth thing you do is related to step four - you infiltrate and harass citizens' groups. It can be trivial: a church in Pasadena, whose minister preached that Jesus was in favour of peace, found itself being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service, while churches that got Republicans out to vote, which is equally illegal under US tax law, have been left alone.
    Other harassment is more serious: the American Civil Liberties Union reports that thousands of ordinary American anti-war, environmental and other groups have been infiltrated by agents: a secret Pentagon database includes more than four dozen peaceful anti-war meetings, rallies or marches by American citizens in its category of 1,500 "suspicious incidents". The equally secret Counterintelligence Field Activity (Cifa) agency of the Department of Defense has been gathering information about domestic organisations engaged in peaceful political activities: Cifa is supposed to track "potential terrorist threats" as it watches ordinary US citizen activists. A little-noticed new law has redefined activism such as animal rights protests as "terrorism". So the definition of "terrorist" slowly expands to include the opposition.

    6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

    This scares people. It is a kind of cat-and-mouse game. Nicholas D Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn, the investigative reporters who wrote China Wakes: the Struggle for the Soul of a Rising Power, describe pro-democracy activists in China, such as Wei Jingsheng, being arrested and released many times. In a closing or closed society there is a "list" of dissidents and opposition leaders: you are targeted in this way once you are on the list, and it is hard to get off the list.
    In 2004, America's Transportation Security Administration confirmed that it had a list of passengers who were targeted for security searches or worse if they tried to fly. People who have found themselves on the list? Two middle-aged women peace activists in San Francisco; liberal Senator Edward Kennedy; a member of Venezuela's government - after Venezuela's president had criticised Bush; and thousands of ordinary US citizens.
    Professor Walter F Murphy is emeritus of Princeton University; he is one of the foremost constitutional scholars in the nation and author of the classic Constitutional Democracy. Murphy is also a decorated former marine, and he is not even especially politically liberal. But on March 1 this year, he was denied a boarding pass at Newark, "because I was on the Terrorist Watch list".
    "Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that," asked the airline employee.
    "I explained," said Murphy, "that I had not so marched but had, in September 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the constitution."
    "That'll do it," the man said.
    Anti-war marcher? Potential terrorist. Support the constitution? Potential terrorist. History shows that the categories of "enemy of the people" tend to expand ever deeper into civil life.
    James Yee, a US citizen, was the Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo who was accused of mishandling classified documents. He was harassed by the US military before the charges against him were dropped. Yee has been detained and released several times. He is still of interest.
    Brandon Mayfield, a US citizen and lawyer in Oregon, was mistakenly identified as a possible terrorist. His house was secretly broken into and his computer seized. Though he is innocent of the accusation against him, he is still on the list.
    It is a standard practice of fascist societies that once you are on the list, you can't get off.

    7. Target key individuals

    Threaten civil servants, artists and academics with job loss if they don't toe the line. Mussolini went after the rectors of state universities who did not conform to the fascist line; so did Joseph Goebbels, who purged academics who were not pro-Nazi; so did Chile's Augusto Pinochet; so does the Chinese communist Politburo in punishing pro-democracy students and professors.
    Academe is a tinderbox of activism, so those seeking a fascist shift punish academics and students with professional loss if they do not "coordinate", in Goebbels' term, ideologically. Since civil servants are the sector of society most vulnerable to being fired by a given regime, they are also a group that fascists typically "coordinate" early on: the Reich Law for the Re-establishment of a Professional Civil Service was passed on April 7 1933.
    Bush supporters in state legislatures in several states put pressure on regents at state universities to penalise or fire academics who have been critical of the administration. As for civil servants, the Bush administration has derailed the career of one military lawyer who spoke up for fair trials for detainees, while an administration official publicly intimidated the law firms that represent detainees pro bono by threatening to call for their major corporate clients to boycott them.
    Elsewhere, a CIA contract worker who said in a closed blog that "waterboarding is torture" was stripped of the security clearance she needed in order to do her job.
    Most recently, the administration purged eight US attorneys for what looks like insufficient political loyalty. When Goebbels purged the civil service in April 1933, attorneys were "coordinated" too, a step that eased the way of the increasingly brutal laws to follow.

    8. Control the press

    Italy in the 1920s, Germany in the 30s, East Germany in the 50s, Czechoslovakia in the 60s, the Latin American dictatorships in the 70s, China in the 80s and 90s - all dictatorships and would-be dictators target newspapers and journalists. They threaten and harass them in more open societies that they are seeking to close, and they arrest them and worse in societies that have been closed already.
    The Committee to Protect Journalists says arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high: Josh Wolf (no relation), a blogger in San Francisco, has been put in jail for a year for refusing to turn over video of an anti-war demonstration; Homeland Security brought a criminal complaint against reporter Greg Palast, claiming he threatened "critical infrastructure" when he and a TV producer were filming victims of Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana. Palast had written a bestseller critical of the Bush administration.
    Other reporters and writers have been punished in other ways. Joseph C Wilson accused Bush, in a New York Times op-ed, of leading the country to war on the basis of a false charge that Saddam Hussein had acquired yellowcake uranium in Niger. His wife, Valerie Plame, was outed as a CIA spy - a form of retaliation that ended her career.
    Prosecution and job loss are nothing, though, compared with how the US is treating journalists seeking to cover the conflict in Iraq in an unbiased way. The Committee to Protect Journalists has documented multiple accounts of the US military in Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire upon unembedded (meaning independent) reporters and camera operators from organisations ranging from al-Jazeera to the BBC. While westerners may question the accounts by al-Jazeera, they should pay attention to the accounts of reporters such as the BBC's Kate Adie. In some cases reporters have been wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS and the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the US military and taken to violent prisons; the news organisations were unable to see the evidence against their staffers.
    Over time in closing societies, real news is supplanted by fake news and false documents. Pinochet showed Chilean citizens falsified documents to back up his claim that terrorists had been about to attack the nation. The yellowcake charge, too, was based on forged papers.
    You won't have a shutdown of news in modern America - it is not possible. But you can have, as Frank Rich and Sidney Blumenthal have pointed out, a steady stream of lies polluting the news well. What you already have is a White House directing a stream of false information that is so relentless that it is increasingly hard to sort out truth from untruth. In a fascist system, it's not the lies that count but the muddying. When citizens can't tell real news from fake, they give up their demands for accountability bit by bit.

    9. Dissent equals treason

    Cast dissent as "treason" and criticism as "espionage'. Every closing society does this, just as it elaborates laws that increasingly criminalise certain kinds of speech and expand the definition of "spy" and "traitor". When Bill Keller, the publisher of the New York Times, ran the Lichtblau/Risen stories, Bush called the Times' leaking of classified information "disgraceful", while Republicans in Congress called for Keller to be charged with treason, and rightwing commentators and news outlets kept up the "treason" drumbeat. Some commentators, as Conason noted, reminded readers smugly that one penalty for violating the Espionage Act is execution.
    Conason is right to note how serious a threat that attack represented. It is also important to recall that the 1938 Moscow show trial accused the editor of Izvestia, Nikolai Bukharin, of treason; Bukharin was, in fact, executed. And it is important to remind Americans that when the 1917 Espionage Act was last widely invoked, during the infamous 1919 Palmer Raids, leftist activists were arrested without warrants in sweeping roundups, kept in jail for up to five months, and "beaten, starved, suffocated, tortured and threatened with death", according to the historian Myra MacPherson. After that, dissent was muted in America for a decade.
    In Stalin's Soviet Union, dissidents were "enemies of the people". National Socialists called those who supported Weimar democracy "November traitors".
    And here is where the circle closes: most Americans do not realise that since September of last year - when Congress wrongly, foolishly, passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 - the president has the power to call any US citizen an "enemy combatant". He has the power to define what "enemy combatant" means. The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive branch the right to define "enemy combatant" any way he or she wants and then seize Americans accordingly.
    Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be completely innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the power to have us seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow, or have us taken with a knock on the door; ship you or me to a navy brig; and keep you or me in isolation, possibly for months, while awaiting trial. (Prolonged isolation, as psychiatrists know, triggers psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy prisoners. That is why Stalin's gulag had an isolation cell, like Guantánamo's, in every satellite prison. Camp 6, the newest, most brutal facility at Guantánamo, is all isolation cells.)
    We US citizens will get a trial eventually - for now. But legal rights activists at the Center for Constitutional Rights say that the Bush administration is trying increasingly aggressively to find ways to get around giving even US citizens fair trials. "Enemy combatant" is a status offence - it is not even something you have to have done. "We have absolutely moved over into a preventive detention model - you look like you could do something bad, you might do something bad, so we're going to hold you," says a spokeswoman of the CCR.
    Most Americans surely do not get this yet. No wonder: it is hard to believe, even though it is true. In every closing society, at a certain point there are some high-profile arrests - usually of opposition leaders, clergy and journalists. Then everything goes quiet. After those arrests, there are still newspapers, courts, TV and radio, and the facades of a civil society. There just isn't real dissent. There just isn't freedom. If you look at history, just before those arrests is where we are now.

    10. Suspend the rule of law

    The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gave the president new powers over the national guard. This means that in a national emergency - which the president now has enhanced powers to declare - he can send Michigan's militia to enforce a state of emergency that he has declared in Oregon, over the objections of the state's governor and its citizens.
    Even as Americans were focused on Britney Spears's meltdown and the question of who fathered Anna Nicole's baby, the New York Times editorialised about this shift: "A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that strike to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of night ... Beyond actual insurrection, the president may now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack or any 'other condition'."
    Critics see this as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act - which was meant to restrain the federal government from using the military for domestic law enforcement. The Democratic senator Patrick Leahy says the bill encourages a president to declare federal martial law. It also violates the very reason the founders set up our system of government as they did: having seen citizens bullied by a monarch's soldiers, the founders were terrified of exactly this kind of concentration of militias' power over American people in the hands of an oppressive executive or faction.
    Of course, the United States is not vulnerable to the violent, total closing-down of the system that followed Mussolini's march on Rome or Hitler's roundup of political prisoners. Our democratic habits are too resilient, and our military and judiciary too independent, for any kind of scenario like that.
    Rather, as other critics are noting, our experiment in democracy could be closed down by a process of erosion.
    It is a mistake to think that early in a fascist shift you see the profile of barbed wire against the sky. In the early days, things look normal on the surface; peasants were celebrating harvest festivals in Calabria in 1922; people were shopping and going to the movies in Berlin in 1931. Early on, as WH Auden put it, the horror is always elsewhere - while someone is being tortured, children are skating, ships are sailing: "dogs go on with their doggy life ... How everything turns away/ Quite leisurely from the disaster."
    As Americans turn away quite leisurely, keeping tuned to internet shopping and American Idol, the foundations of democracy are being fatally corroded. Something has changed profoundly that weakens us unprecedentedly: our democratic traditions, independent judiciary and free press do their work today in a context in which we are "at war" in a "long war" - a war without end, on a battlefield described as the globe, in a context that gives the president - without US citizens realising it yet - the power over US citizens of freedom or long solitary incarceration, on his say-so alone.
    That means a hollowness has been expanding under the foundation of all these still- free-looking institutions - and this foundation can give way under certain kinds of pressure. To prevent such an outcome, we have to think about the "what ifs".
    What if, in a year and a half, there is another attack - say, God forbid, a dirty bomb? The executive can declare a state of emergency. History shows that any leader, of any party, will be tempted to maintain emergency powers after the crisis has passed. With the gutting of traditional checks and balances, we are no less endangered by a President Hillary than by a President Giuliani - because any executive will be tempted to enforce his or her will through edict rather than the arduous, uncertain process of democratic negotiation and compromise.
    What if the publisher of a major US newspaper were charged with treason or espionage, as a rightwing effort seemed to threaten Keller with last year? What if he or she got 10 years in jail? What would the newspapers look like the next day? Judging from history, they would not cease publishing; but they would suddenly be very polite.
    Right now, only a handful of patriots are trying to hold back the tide of tyranny for the rest of us - staff at the Center for Constitutional Rights, who faced death threats for representing the detainees yet persisted all the way to the Supreme Court; activists at the American Civil Liberties Union; and prominent conservatives trying to roll back the corrosive new laws, under the banner of a new group called the American Freedom Agenda. This small, disparate collection of people needs everybody's help, including that of Europeans and others internationally who are willing to put pressure on the administration because they can see what a US unrestrained by real democracy at home can mean for the rest of the world.
    We need to look at history and face the "what ifs". For if we keep going down this road, the "end of America" could come for each of us in a different way, at a different moment; each of us might have a different moment when we feel forced to look back and think: that is how it was before - and this is the way it is now.
    "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands ... is the definition of tyranny," wrote James Madison. We still have the choice to stop going down this road; we can stand our ground and fight for our nation, and take up the banner the founders asked us to carry.

    · Naomi Wolf's The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot will be published by Chelsea Green in September.
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