Would you answer the door?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Witch Doctor 01, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    (CNN) -- A Florida couple declined to answer the door just before midnight when a nearly naked woman knocked and screamed she had just been raped.
    Rather, the homeowners called 911 Monday night.
    The couple inside the home refused to let the woman in because they said they were afraid to open their door. In the 911 call, the woman can be heard pleading in the background. The distressed couple begged police to hurry. Their home is in an isolated area, and the couple feared for their safety if they opened the door.
    It took about 11 minutes for police to arrive.
    A subsequent investigation led to an arrest of a suspect and prompted the spokesman of the DeLand Police Department to remark that "unfortunately fear dictates the response anymore not knowing if (you're) being set up for other criminal activity."

    Police spokesman Lt. Jack Waples added that if citizens are uncomfortable opening the door to someone seeking help, "tell the person to calm down, you are calling 911 now," Waples said in a statement.
    "If there are two of you, one continues to talk to the victim reassuring them help is on the way while the other person stays on the line with the authorities," Waples said.
    "You control how you respond. For example, tell the person to back away from the door to a place (you're) comfortable with so you can throw out a blanket or something then go back inside. Always beware of your surroundings around the entry way such as high bushes someone else could be hiding behind.
    "Every situation will be unique in its own way and the decision to help is up to the individual depending on how much they can do to assist," Waples said.
    Juan L. Vera-Soledad, 29, of DeLand was arrested in the incident and charged with kidnapping and sex battery with a weapon, according to a charging affidavit filed by police.
    Vera-Soledad was in custody Thursday, and it wasn't immediately clear whether he had an attorney.
    The incident began late Monday night when the woman was forced at knifepoint to enter a man's car at a Citgo in DeLand, a police affidavit said.
    The motorist had been circling her several times in his 1998 four-door Toyota and then stopped his car and asked her to get in, the police report said. The man then got out of his car and revealed a silver switchblade-style knife, forcing her into the passenger seat, police said.
    He then drove to a location and raped the woman repeatedly, the police document said.
    When the man "then laid down in the backseat as if to take a break for a couple of minutes," the woman sat up, elbowed him in the chest, grabbed her pink shorts and fled to the residence, the document said.
    The homeowner told police that "he heard someone outside banging on his front door yelling that she had been raped," the affidavit said.
    Responding officers then searched for the suspect and found him with a "known prostitute" in his car, the report said.

    11 minutes? Really?.... I can understand their fear.... but I'd have to arm myself and let them in.... What would you do?
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    That time of night, if I have company, they get on the phone and I answer the door. If no company, I have the phone in one hand and another device in the other. Door is opened as 911 answers, but not before. It'll be way more than 11 minutes up here.
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  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I would have gone outside...but I love combat. I dunno about those people, can't blame them. It's not like she said she's bleeding out and dying. Still, glad that animal, if he's the actual suspect is behind bars. NEVER get into a car. Fight, kick, scream, run. Your chances are always better.
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  4. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Where I live, a naked, or near naked woman, would be as rare as a "Jet engine Falling out of the Sky into the front yard".... Since I know everyone within 100 Sq Miles of my place, I would let her in, and shotgun above the door, would be in my hands with the Safety Off. Then, with Momma watching the woman, I would be out the back door, and doing a perimeter search of the local AoO, to see if there was anyone else in the area. Momma and I have SECURE Comms, so she could update me, on the incident, while I carry out the Search. She would be on the phone to OUR State Trooper, as well, but he couldn't get here if he left, as soon as she called, for 2+ hours, and likely it would be more like the next morning. Once the perimeter search was completed, I would then be back at the cabin, and watching the WebCams. Any funny business would be meet with serious firepower, and the Trooper can just come "Collect the Bodies".... Out here you deal with things FIRST, and call in the Law, to clean up the mess.... That is just, the way it is........ YMMV....
  5. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Agreed as you would have a 911 recording if something bad went down.
  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Lock and load, and answer the door. If I can't handle one naked female (even if hostile) then there ain't much hope for it.. ...she could not hold the door for someone else, without getting shot, and once the door is shut and locked she is not a threat. Let her in, but remain armed and focused.
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  7. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Aware of how the situation could go bad but open the door with six rounds of #3 BB ready to end any hostilities. With her inside and covered call 911. She could cover up with the throw on the back of the couch.
  8. Icefoot

    Icefoot Monkey+

    Had an unexpected doorbell ring on Friday. Hung the .40 under my shirt, looked through the peephole, and opened the door when all seemed fine. Turned out to be a good neighbor just stopping by to ask us to keep an eye on their place while they went on vacation for the next week. He would not have had a problem with it, but he never knew I was armed.

    This is the way I handle potentially unknown visitors. Arm, check, respond. Too much of a trend lately with invaders using a "victim" to get the door to open. With THIS situation momma would be armed, on the phone with 911, and well away from the door (we have a nice long, clear line of fire from the back of the house to the front door) while I answered, allowed the woman in, and locked the door. If necessary, I drop to the floor rolling to the side as momma opens fire chest high.
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  9. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Gotta say, I do NOT like peep holes. Any one outside knows when you are looking out. Much better looking out a window from off to the side if at all possible. Either way, lights OFF behind you if at all possible, prevents silhouettes giving your position away.
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  10. Icefoot

    Icefoot Monkey+

    I forgot to mention the ring was the middle of the day. Too much light outside to tell if someone was behind the peephole. And I absolutely don't use it if there is light behind me. Seen too many TV shows and movies where someone waited for the shadowing of a peep to occur then just shot through the door. I will have to remember to be more consistent with looking out a window where I cannot be silhouetted first. Or finally put up that camera covering the porch I've been meaning to install...
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  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I remember a movie, where there is a tapping at the door, but nothing to be seen through the peephole. That is because there was a bullet shoved in the other side! When the home owner blocked the light under the door, the perp struck the primer with the butt of the pistol. Bam! Shot through the eye!
  12. Ajax

    Ajax Monkey++

    I can't really blame them. I would be cautious too. I would have grabbed my gun, called 911 and then carefully let her in as long as I could get a clear view of everything around the door, ready to blast anyone that tries to charge in.
  13. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Have told my wife repeatedly never go to the door but look out one of the bay windows to see who is there.
  14. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    I answer my door every time. Lock it and step outside to talk to whomever.

    Guess I'm just a little old-fashioned that way.
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  15. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Tracy, I do also but tell my wife not to. Difference being I have my hand in my pocket if I do not know them. A buddy was killed when working under his car several years ago. He trusted someone(unsolved) or either they sneaked up on him.
  16. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    I'm sorry about your friend, -06.[angelsad]

    It sucks that we even have to question whether or not we answer the door. Sad state of the world.
  17. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Had to have been someone he trusted--he carried most all the time.
  18. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Known/trusted killer? That makes it just that much worse. What a tragedy!
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  19. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    In many ways barry and the libs want everyone scared behind locked doors only armed with a set of Paula Deen kitchen knives (with permit and backround check) and the memory of the 2nd amendment depending on the government for everything.
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  20. Illini Warrior

    Illini Warrior Illini Warrior

    this day and age .... keeping the whole Zimmerman Incident in mind .... day of chivalry is over .... somebody is just going to kick you in the nuts .... do what you can do without exposure .... call the cops and have the woman in this particular case go around behind the house or open the garage to hide ..... opening the door just opens you up to all kinds of possible crap ....

    PS .... watch your 6 o'clock when something like this draws you to one area of the home .... the bad guys are coming in the backdoor
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