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Discussion in 'Bushcraft' started by sticks65, May 8, 2010.

  1. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    I though coming to SM and getting a bit of bushcraft going would fit in well with the survival mentality but it looks like i was very wrong indeed.

    It seems like stashing bullets and food is what its about in the survival community and real survival skills are looked down on.

    Your Ammo won't last for ever,your fuel will run out and your food stock pile will get eaten so then what.

    With no ammo to protect yourselves and no food to eat it will be a bit to late to start trying to learn how to live without modern technology.

    So bushcraft and wilderness survival are very important skills to learn and broaden your chances of survival.
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  2. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Well speaking as an over the hill military retiree and ex Boy Scout let me answer you this way. I am carrying a bit too much weight around the middle. My right knee joint is bone on bone. I won't be humping a rucksack very far out in the boonies. My live in bunker is rather off the beaten path. I have no intent of trying to flee from here if and when the SHTF. While I understand commercial food and ammo sources will dry up, I have a number of like minded friends who will probably band together if neccessary. We garden, have livestock, can and dry food, some of us have manual pump well water access, some solar power, all have large pantrys. I have gill nets and snares and conibear traps. I have plans for making live traps and also have a huge non electronic reference library. I would hope I don't ever have to resort to bushcraft to survive. While bush craft may serve some well, before it comes to that for me, I will probably pass on all I can to my tribe, and pull the pin by searching out and delivering a little street justice to some evil air breathers who put us in such a mess. JMHO of course.... to each his or her own[dunno]. Please continue to post about bush craft. I am sure there are others here who can and will put the info to good use.
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  3. Byte

    Byte Monkey+++

    I've been reading and enjoying your posts quite a bit. I haven't really been out spending much time in the hills/woods/mtns since I was a kid. My campcraft/bushcraft is weak all these years later and I'm practicing and learning all over again. Baby steps... Gear & skills aquisition take time.

    We all definately do appreciated the info you've brought to the forums.


    Oh Tac's post reminded me. I looked up my states trapping rules and regs and I'm working on getting my license so I can get back into trapping. Haven't set a snare since I was 11.
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  4. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    It is agreed with you that the skills are necessary. There are some few SM folks with considerable experience in the woods with more or less modern means and methods, and some that might be as capable as any "survivalist" (as differentiated from a prepper.) Your contributions thus far simply present another way to "get 'er done" and are more than welcome and encouraged. If you look at the thread view count, you'll see that you aren't being ignored.

    You might also cruise some of the other subforums and see what you find besides guns and ammo. There are sections which address edible forage which are under represented where I think you could make some real contributions; us former urban dwellers can't identify edibles vs. toxic plants very readily. (Except me, I can tell poison ivy at 100 yards and itch 5 minutes later. How about a field expedient itch reliever? That one, I NEED. Yeah, I know you are not North American, but some plants are on both sides of the pond.)

    Don't stop now with your creative ideas. We can all use or learn from different techniques that are proven in the field.
  5. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    I, for one, l have thoroughly enjoyed your bushcraft posts. My failure to comments and add information is only due to my lack of your level of knowledge and experience. Please don't stop adding to our knowledge base. What I learn from you today may save my life tomorrow.
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  6. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I've enjoyed your stuff and it seems like yours are among the more popular posts here. You're creating a lot of interest in this small community.

    You're correct in that the focus in the "survivalist" world seems to be more in the realm of preparedness, or stocking up.

    Much of the US survivalist movement was based in the cold war. A nuclear strike that would change life very quickly was feared.
    In fact, this quick descent mentality never left us and for good reason: Terrorism, natural disasters, epidemics...
    I think this economic depression has taught us that life may change slowly for us and our kids and we must learn to adjust to a more primitive lifestyle.

    You offer a fresh perspective that many of us need.

    But also, there is a lot for you to learn here too.

    Like Tac I'm a bit too broken down to last in the bush very long.
    I and many others here live in urban/suburban areas where just making it to the bush is questionable.
    I live on the highly populated east coast where the bush will become overpopulated and stripped bare.
    Many of us have small kids, making the bush a less desirable option.

    Those of us who move from the preparedness mindset to an idea of long term sustainability are focused more on homesteading rather than bushcraft.

    So, just a few things to think about:
    Can you survive "in-place" in your dwelling without leaving and for how long?
    Can you defend your dwelling?
    Can you light, heat and cook, provide water and sanitation with no power or services?
    Can you produce food and energy for the long haul right where you live?
  7. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    Thanks for the replies and giving me a better understanding.

    I to prep and have as it stands 3 months worth of food,I also grow my own Vegetables and some fruit,I can easily supplement my food supplies with fishing,hunting and foraging.

    I can heat my house with wood or coal and have 4 methods of cooking if power and gas go down.

    I intend on bugging in if and when the SHTF,as for defending my property well let just say that this is the Internet and i live in the UK so ill be keeping this one to myself.

    I do have BOBs just in case i have to bug out and i also keep one in the car.

    Im not green when it comes to survivalism and have served in the Military.

    Ive also been a member of various survival forums over the years and found most a little to gung ho or Internet commando for my liking.

    So I have a stock pile of food and supplies.

    I grow food.

    I have my home defence sorted.

    These are a given.

    I could write a list of whats in my BOB but whats the point its been done a million times over,i could ask whats the best survival knife or flash light but to me this is boring,i have a knife and flash light so lets move on.

    I could post about rotating my food stuff or how i grow my carrots LOL but most know how to grow there veg and im sure there's folks here that would know far more than me.

    Please don't take me for some wet back when it comes to survival-ism its just im all talked out on the subject.

    Bushcraft to me is an ongoing set of skills that you can always improve on and you never stop leaning so i never lose intrest in leaning as there is always something fresh and new.
    kellory likes this.
  8. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I fully appreciate the information you share. We can at times be a 'slower' forum than others when it comes to active discussion about every new topic that comes up.

    I know that I and many others have read your info and would encourage you to continue.
  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Although I am the type who favors carrying titanium utensils rather than carving spoons and forks out of wood, it is always comforting to see somebody taking the time to do it. Bushcraft is fun -it's becoming a growing trend online, and there is much to learn from it. Don't ever feel discouraged around here! Most folks on the Monkey are in agreement -this makes for poor discussion, but it doesn't mean the topic isn't appreciated.

    If you want more discussion, try offering a friendly argument based on opinion and why you prefer to use (insert item) as opposed to (insert different stuff). Make a poll, or see if anybody wants to enter a challenge with you to see who can make the best camp site or something.

    Mostly, I personally enjoy reading information on hiking and camping because it permits me to gauge different opinions and weigh them to my own. For a lot of things pertaining to survival and sustainability, there are very few "wrong" ways to do something, and tons of "different" ways to possibly improve and streamline.

    Keep up the posting! I think it is nice to have you around.
    kellory likes this.
  10. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!


    What is the general opinion of survivalism / survivalists in the UK?

    Are there many who have their heads in the sand like here?
  11. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    99.9 pc have there head stuck in the sand in the UK and there is exacly the same type of stereotyping here as there is in the USA.

    You tell someone your a survivalist here and they will laugh,tell them that the S will hit the fan and they laugh even loader and then say well the government will take care of us.

    Yer im sure the gov will take care of them but not in the way they think it will.
  12. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    Well this thread certainly got some discussion going thats for sure;)

    Thanks now i know people are taking it in even if not many post in the threads ill keep posting..
  13. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Keep it coming Sticks, I have even had my oldest child read some of your posts. Good stuff, your post are not wasted, believe me. You never know when the information you pass on will save a life.
  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Hey, if you also wanted to get in contact with another Brit who loves camping and even (recently) now lives off grid in the UK, try his website R4nger5 - Survival of the smartest to get in contact. He's one terrific dude, and I admire his focus greatly. There are small number of those like yourself on the island -might as well get to know each other.
  15. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    No disrespect to the guy or you but ill stick with my own little but very capable group of like minded friends.
  16. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    Good to know,thanks.
  17. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Great stuff... I really enjoy reading and seeing what you have to offer..
    Life gets pretty busy and I 'm an smell like an old fart so "slow" is an understatement for me...:D
    Thanks for sharing!

    emphasis -melbo
  18. MeadsJN

    MeadsJN Senior Citizen

    I enjoy seeing all the bushcraft articles. Even if the gadgets and ideas are never used as intended, the info pays off in comfort level and transferrable experimentation (I just made that up, I think).
  19. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    I enjoy your posts (I usually comment). I have been a bit busy lately, but my time just opened up a bit.

    BTW... I figured out where to get a good tube for a slow match..... .22 mag shells. I was cleaning up some brass this weekend and it hit me. When I get it worked out, I will post it to the fire lighting thread.
  20. sticks65

    sticks65 Monkey++

    Yep they should work perfect,ive used 9mm but they where a little fat for the cord i had.
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