You are NOT going to believe this one.....

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by BTPost, Mar 28, 2013.


  1. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Ariz. program would issue free shotguns
    The program, modeled after one recently started in Houston, would provide training and enough money to buy a basic shotgun to residents who pass background checks.
    TUCSON, Ariz. — A former mayoral candidate in Tucson, Ariz., is launching a privately funded program to provide residents of crime-prone areas with free shotguns so they can defend themselves against criminals.
    Shaun McClusky said the program, modeled after one recently started in Houston, would provide training and enough money to buy a basic shotgun to residents who pass background checks, the Arizona Daily Star reported Wednesday.
    Donors have committed about $12,000 to the program that McClusky said could start handing out guns within 60 days, the newspaper reported.
    McClusky said citizens need to do more to protect themselves because city government is failing to do the job. “We need to take back our city, and it needs to come back to the citizens and not the criminals,” he said.
    Several City Council members said the effort is out of touch with community needs and values. “To suggest that giving away ... loaded shotguns in high-crime areas will make anybody safer is pure idiocy,” Councilman Steve Kozachik said.
    Kozachik has previously supported gun-buyback programs and proposed a city ordinance to require gun owners to promptly report lost or missing guns.
    Councilwoman Regina Romero said the Midvale neighborhood, one of the areas identified by McClusky, is a safe place where residents “don’t need a gun to survive.”
    McClusky estimated it would cost $375 to arm each person in what he views as the affected areas. The figure would include about $200 for each single-shot shotgun along with a box of ammunition, training and background checks.
    McClusky said he learned of the fledgling Houston effort known as the Armed Citizen Project and thought it would be perfect for Tucson.
    Participation in the effort would be voluntary. Towns across the country have generally refrained from requiring gun ownership.
    However, towns in Idaho, Utah, Virginia and Pennsylvania have passed ordinances recommending gun ownership.
    McClusky withdrew from the 2011 Tucson mayoral race because of questions about his ballot eligibility.
     
  2. Gunny Highway

    Gunny Highway Hard Work and Sacrifice blessed by God's Grace Site Supporter

    I love this - it's going to fail but I love it. The this part too

    "However, towns in Idaho, Utah, Virginia and Pennsylvania have passed ordinances recommending gun ownership."
     
  3. DMGoddess

    DMGoddess Monkey+

    Isn't there a town in Arkansas or something that REQUIRES gun possession?
     
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  4. Wheelsucker

    Wheelsucker Out of Airspeed, Altitude & Ideas

    Kennesaw, Ga has an ordinance like that. Symbolic and never enforced but crime dropped at their exits along I-75. A
     
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  5. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    I wouldn't mind living in Idaho, AZ, or NV... all for different reasons.
     
  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Single shot shotguns? How about a small fee, to upgrade to at least a pumpgun? You got one shot as three or four are kicking in your door, and you need to calmly reload without fumbling? You life hangs on that shell. :( I applaud the effort, but this is too little, by itself.
     
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  7. Gunny Highway

    Gunny Highway Hard Work and Sacrifice blessed by God's Grace Site Supporter

    I'm taking a free weapon no matter what, I grew up using a Sears and Roebuck single shot 20 gauge - I'll use my 870 PMAX for the invaders though and use the single shot in retreat

    Remington Law Enforcement - Shotguns - Model 870P MAX

    - the single shot weapon will be strategically placed in another portion of the house where there is no further retreat - you can just call it the ALAMO OPTION - put the slug in it and aim for the head of the first guy thru the door - I'm pretty sure even if the kevlar helmet works, the TBI that it leaves him with will make the next guy think twice when they raid the house across town that next week or better yet- a pelvic shot is deadly - far too many blood vessels in the area for a round that size to not do the trick ( or closely grouped buck or maybe #2 ) and breaking the pelvic ring will put the guy on the floor for sure

    I do like the optional fee for upgrade idea though. I never like to say I have a surplus of any type of weapon but shotguns - yep I do. More 12 gauges than I could ever utilize in that type of situation but they are perfect for those family and friends that are...how should we say it...." accuracy challenged "
     
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  8. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    yeah, i like shotguns too, but what I am saying, is this is equivalent to going after bear with a knife. You would never do it unless you had no other choice. It IS better than nothing, but may give false security. It is a poor tool for the job. At the very least, allow the credit to apply toward a real tool.
     
  9. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

    I agree, take Uncle Joe's advice and give out double barrel shottys. I hate the term "free". Someone is always paying a price/cost. Just a little rant there.
     
  10. Gunny Highway

    Gunny Highway Hard Work and Sacrifice blessed by God's Grace Site Supporter


    Completely agree just saying - it is effective if its all you have left - even the Noisy Cricket thread is effective and better than nothing - this link at 5:15 mark to 6:20 shows consequences of 12 gauge 2.75 inch slug vs kevlar helmet. No its not graphic - its on a watermelon....but like I said in my post above, TBI ( Traumatic Brain Injury ) is nobody's friend.
     
  11. Legion489

    Legion489 Shining the Light of Truth

    Three-four thugs kicking in a door with home owner w/single shot shotgun. YOU go in first! Not me! Not me! Hmmm...
     
  12. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    This is destined for complete utter failure.
    Everybody knows criminals never enter "a safe place where residents “don’t need a gun to survive.” [tongue]
     
  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    images (32).
     
  14. BigAggie06

    BigAggie06 Monkey+

    As the OP mentioned this was started in Houston. It was actually started by a college kid using this as a study for a thesis I believe.

    Have heard interviews from the guy that started it as well as from several of the recipients. It is getting great reviews but I believe it is too early to come to a conclusion on the effectiveness.
     
  15. Ak4570Remote

    Ak4570Remote Monkey

    Imagine in Chicago (south) gang bangers come into a quiet neighborhood and start an turf war and 20-30 local home owners step out into their yards and take out the trash that the city refuses to deal with. I get a feeling the gangs would start losing places to kill innocent people. Here where I live everyone has lots of guns. No shootings here in the 20 yrs I lived here. I feel safe here knowing everyone is well armed.
     
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  16. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I was with you right up until the point where you said step out into the yard. I'D take them from the second floor windows with the table across the wall as armor.
     
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  17. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Me too. With the trash in the street, the cross fire would be hazardous at ground level.
     
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  18. Ak4570Remote

    Ak4570Remote Monkey

    I only said out in the yard because everyone was talking about free shot guns to citizens.
     
  19. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim Monkey++

    Note that the program only provides money enough to purchase a single shot shotgun. The recipient could add their own money to actually purchase whatever they want. As I read it anyway.
     
  20. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    That senerios is very unlikely in our neighborhoods, Ak4570Remote, as no Chicago Banger would spend the scratch it would cost, just to fly up here, from the FlatLands, even if he could gather that much money in the first place. Then once he got to town, figuring out how to Fly out to the Village, when all he knows how to talk is HipHop Gibberish, is his next problem. After that what does he do when he steps off the Bush Plane, at the AirStrip, and trips over his own pants, that fell down because they weren't even covering his A$$, in the first place. It would be known thru out the village in 5 minutes that there was a Total Stranger in town, and EVERYONE would have to come Gawk at the FlatLander, and see what he was up to. At the first sign of Mischief ,
    he would be "Put Down" just like a Rabid Dog, and the Trooper would be called from Town to come pick up the remains, in a BodyBag, if there was anything left to find, and transport. Nope, Chicago Bangers had just better stay in their SAFE "No Gun Zone" of Chicago, because if they ever came to Alaska, they wouldn't last a Week.... .....
     
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