You are worse than a jihadist according to the L.A. Times

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  1. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Extremist 'patriots' imperil the United States - Los Angeles Times

    Editorial

    The U.S. needs to keep a close watch on the growing threat of home-grown extremist groups.
    March 08, 2013
    There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal.
    They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.
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    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has been tracking hate groups for 30 years, released its latest report on the growth of these organizations this week. Its findings were, to say the least, alarming. The center divides its subjects into militias, which are mostly groups of weekend warriors who train for combat against imaginary foes; hate groups, which target minorities; and "patriot" groups, whose beef is with the U.S. government. Patriot groups first began surfacing after the massacre of a bizarre sect by federal agents in Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s. They showed their teeth in 1995, when a patriot adherent blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.
    SLIDESHOW: The 10 trigger-happiest states in America
    Since then, the patriot movement has been growing at a blistering pace, especially following the election of President Obama in 2008, according to the report. From just 149 groups in 2008, the number jumped to 512 in 2009 and has been rising sharply since. In 2012, it hit 1,360. Now that Obama is seriously pushing for tougher gun laws, further growth is a near certainty. The result? There's no knowing, but some kind of serious attack is increasingly possible.
    Patriot groups are motivated by a host of anti-government attitudes, but their primary focus is guns. They are convinced that the government is out to seize their weapons, even though most legislation is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or restricting the types of weapons that can be sold. Many are also united by belief in an outlandish one-world government conspiracy theory positing that the United Nations is poised to strip away American property rights and impose socialism on us all.
    What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists.
     
  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    SPLC is a front for the stasi. I think it's them we should be watching. Follow the money, follow the money.
     
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  3. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    Another left wing hit piece trying to justify using our tax dollars to stomp down the opposition- that is constitutionally minded and actually wants to maintain the integrity of the USA.

    Infringement on our freedom as Americans, with the trampling on our constitutional rights on a daily basis!! Guns are just another means of the infringement in my book.
     
  4. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King Site Supporter

    That constitution is a subversive document for sure...
     
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  5. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    I prefer the term: Homegrown Freedom Fighter.
     
  6. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Well, I for one, am proud they consider me a patriot. They should be VERY concerned that our numbers are growing at such an alarming(for them) rate. It is my fondest hope that I can see the day when the SPLC and the other far left trash will be banished to hell where they belong and this country will again be the bastion of freedom for all including "white right wing" americans that was intended by the founders. Now I'm off to bag a brontosaurus. Might even be a little left for me and mine after I have to provide half of what I harvest to feed all the absolutely worthless SPLC supporters who won't get out of their cave to provide for their own.
     
  7. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    They are the terrorists, not us.
    I'll never fall for that B/S.
     
  8. sarawolf

    sarawolf Monkey++

    Yes it sure is just plain ridiculous isn't it.
     
  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Which Came First? The Chicken or Powdered Eggs?
    The U.S. needs to keep a close watch on the growing threat of home-grown extremist groups.
    March 08, 2013
    “There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal.”
    Why do you think this is? We watch while every mom and pop police department in the United States is armed with military weaponry and armored vehicles, as a run-away government spends our resources faster than they can print additional worthless money in a sleight of hand attempt to out-run interest on the debts they incur, while giving away larger portions of what they can coerce from those of us that still try to work and produce to give to those that do nothing but consume, of course we are getting a bit pissed-off.
    “They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.”
    I tend to think we are a bit more Libertarian than Right-wing, but that is just a matter of opinion. As to the attachment to guns, well…when there are armed men on the streets carrying military, full-automatic weapons, riding around in urban tanks, eaves-dropping on private conversations, watching every move made in a benevolent surveillance to insure our “safety”, demanding we surrender our Constitutionally protected Liberties because the non-working consumers feel their meal ticket is threatened and enforcing their demands with Military tactics, isn’t it time to be a bit concerned?

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has been tracking hate groups for 30 years, released its latest report on the growth of these organizations this week. Its findings were, to say the least, alarming. The center divides its subjects into militias, which are mostly groups of weekend warriors who train for combat against imaginary foes; hate groups, which target minorities; and "patriot" groups, whose beef is with the U.S. government. Patriot groups first began surfacing after the massacre of a bizarre sect by federal agents in Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s. They showed their teeth in 1995, when a patriot adherent blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.”
    Why do we never see any SPLC info on the Black Panthers and other minority based “Hate Groups”? All I ever see from them is crap pointed at white, working, Americans that are tired of having the fruits of their labors taken from the mouth’s of their children and fed to the Welfare Industry and we get painted with the tar-brush for not liking it? As for the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing, that was a real Tragedy but the horse-shit about McVeigh and one other doing it in the manner they described was physically impossible by reason of logic and sheer time and physical restraints, as well as the blast physics of the amounts and types of explosives supposedly used, as testified by numerous experts in the use of explosives, yet all of this was completely ignored and we are expected to believe that a pair of miss-guided individuals took down a large steel reinforced concrete building with a rental truck load of fertilizer that NASA demonstrated was not physically capable of doing more than breaking out the windows?
    “SLIDESHOW: The 10 trigger-happiest states in America
    If someone would remove the shooting incidents where a person was killed in the commission of a violent crime and the incidents where a shooting was done in defense of life and property from these “Statistics” then we might begin to have an intelligent conversation about this. Until then, why start an intelligent dialogue when the deck is stacked and facts ignored?
    “Since then, the patriot movement has been growing at a blistering pace, especially following the election of President Obama in 2008, according to the report. From just 149 groups in 2008, the number jumped to 512 in 2009 and has been rising sharply since. In 2012, it hit 1,360. Now that Obama is seriously pushing for tougher gun laws, further growth is a near certainty. The result? There's no knowing, but some kind of serious attack is increasingly possible.”
    While an attack is “possible” it is not “Likely”…We are angry, we are armed, but not nearly as well as the police and military, and we are not nearly as stupid as you would have everyone believe. What will likely happen is that we will “Defend” ourselves and then get painted by the media tar-brush as “Domestic Terrorists” and flag-draped coffins of those few brave defenders of our Country that made the “Ultimate Sacrifice” in the “War on Domestic Terror” will be blasted all over the mind-control monitors in every living room in America.
    “Patriot groups are motivated by a host of anti-government attitudes, but their primary focus is guns. They are convinced that the government is out to seize their weapons, even though most legislation is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or restricting the types of weapons that can be sold. Many are also united by belief in an outlandish one-world government conspiracy theory positing that the United Nations is poised to strip away American property rights and impose socialism on us all.”
    Guns are not our “Primary Focus”, it just happens to be what is on the “Hot-Plate” at the moment as we watch a mass-media “Stampede” towards dis-arming us while at the same time, our “Police” and “Protectors” are being armed with enough automatic weapons and ammunition to kill every man, woman, and child in our nation five times over. It isn’t unreasonable to vehemently stand against allowing this to happen, even if we are allowed to keep our sporting arms for shooting skeet and ducks.
    “What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists.”
    You want a real answer to this question, then stop asking it in a manner that only allows the answer you want to hear. Stop pretending that those of us that are increasingly getting more angry, frustrated, and bellicose are totally wrong in our reasons for doing so. Stop pretending that the only answer to this problem is to allow total control of our minds, opinions, and Liberty. Start using “real” statistics to support you arguments instead of ones that are “Stacked” with corrupt data, such as Drug related killings and killings in self-defense. Stop the “Entitlements” and put the people that rely on a free-ride to work doing something of public benefit, under the same requirements as those of us that have to foot the bill for them., doesn’t matter what they do, paint a fence or plant trees, just make them do something to earn their keep other than making babies and require them to piss in a jar, just like most of us that pay the bill have to in order to earn the money they take away from us. Until then, like it or not, you’ll just have to accept that God didn’t make man equal, Col. Colt did.
     
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  10. sarawolf

    sarawolf Monkey++

    Very Good my hats off to you.
     
  11. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Thanks Sea. Is it alright if I send that to a couple people?
     
  12. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

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  13. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    By All means.
     
  14. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    If we hold a work stoppage for two months they'll start worrying about dem checks coming in da mail.
     
  15. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King Site Supporter

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  16. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    "original" referred to the URL to the story in case he wanted to include that. People around her get testy if they don't have the original link.
     
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