A Worthless Piece Of Paper?

@vonslob Not trying to bash you for your above posts, but you need to know that a large majority of Monkeys will not agree with what you wrote. You are entitled to your opinion just like I am and sometimes there are consequences.

You should go back and read Brokor's post again and think about it. I tend to think more like Brokor and also believe that most law enforcement we have now is not needed and mainly in place to control the citizens, sorry I meant slaves.

Back when Ruby Ridge and Waco happened the main source of information was the lamestream media and people were told how evil those people were and how they killed the poor .goob agents that were just trying to enforce the law. Bundy Ranch would have been another Waco if it was not for the internet. Well informed people that knew the truth about Waco did not let that happen again.

 

This might help clarify for some.

Bundy Ranch Stand Off - The Next Waco?

 

Mountainman i agree with everything that was in the orginal post made by yard dart and most of what broker had to say. I just do not believe the browns, weaver, and koresh are heros. Thank you for your explaination. I watched the bundy standoff and side with the bundys. What would be the bundys loss would have been Hairy (not missspelled) Reeds and his sons gain. Not to mention the chinese company that reeds son represents

 

....but, but, but....the Bundys stood up to law enforcement! They defied a swat team, and refused to roll over just because they were shown a few badges!! how can that be???

 

The difference being the bundys never pointed a gun at a LEO and policed the crazys themselves

 

Wrong. Bundy himself may not have, but a sniper mugged for the cameras while aimed at LEOs from the BLM.

 

And just WHY does the Bureau of Land Management need need a swat team or snipers at all? The exist to HELP RANCHERS MANAGE THE LAND better!!

 

I remember that raid. It started with a noise complaint, I think.

 

Not silencing anyone's opinion, nor criticizing it, just stating mine.

 

Police must use the military equipment or lose it [HASHTAG]#liberty[/HASHTAG] from the [HASHTAG]#policestate[/HASHTAG]

Another item for perspective....

 

By the way, Von, Americans are not the only ones here. We have Canadians, Brits, swedes, and more. (We even have a moose and a lawyer)And even the Americans are all over the world. Some do not have the Rights you enjoy, and revere.

 

@Brokor, there was also the Philly fire way back when what was basically a bomb was dropped on a roof top resulting in a rather large fire.

USATODAY.com - 1985 bombing in Philadelphia still unsettled

 

No disrespect intended, that is not my way. Before the treaty of guadelupe hildago my family owned a large part of northern nm. My family had been openly against the US govt. and as a result lost most of their land holdings, so i know that the federal govt. overreach is well over a hundred years in the making. There were people openly defying the fed until well into the 1970's in tierra amarilla nm. So i get it. I will even say that the wrong side won the civil war setting aside the slavery issue. I understand the power of the sheriff , how tiny little police depts. have armored military vehicles, las lunas has one. I get it. I love reading history , and not the lies my history teacher . I come from a family that has instilled in me a heathly disrespect for the church and govt. i telling you guys i get it. But i stand by what i said earlier.


Edit when i went back to school to finish my degree i used to get roasted by other students and my professors but they were on the other side.

 

I do not see Randy Weaver nor the Branch Davidians as "heroes" but rather as "Victims" of a too large and corrupt and frightened government intending to quell anyone that would stand up to them. I do not know that I would do anything different after they shot my dog, did not identify themselves as police, hell yes, I would return fire and hell no, I would not trust them to de-escalate.

 

Pointing out foolishness does not equate with attempting to silence the person offering up that foolishness.

I knew and worked with some of the Ruby Ridge actors, and know exactly what the government priorities were and that Weaver never had a chance once he fought the setup carefully designed to give certain agencies an eye into the activities of some of his acquaintances. Yes, he was foolish in that he (like most) really did not believe that his government would go to the depths they did in order to punish him for not bending to their will.

 

And nobody at Ruby Ridge pointed a gun (at least knowingly) at an LEO until the younger Weaver was already dead. Nor was anyone pointing one when Mrs Weaver was murdered.

 

Weaver and his friend Kevin Harris were both acquitted of any wrong doing in the standoff. Weaver had to do some time for other trumped up charges. They and others were given settlements. Harriss got 380,000.00 The way I Read it as it went down. The boy and Harris were out with Sammy's dog looking for whatever the dog was barking at and the one of the marshals shot the dog which made the kid take a shot at the marshal who was all dressed in camo. Sammy ran for the house and got shot in the back.The marshal killed Sammy and Harris killed him. Harris made it back to house and the marshals retreated back to perimeter. Weaver and Harris went down and got the boys body and brought it up to the house. The sniper who killed Randy's wife was shooting at weaver and hit her by mistake. Weaver was not hiding behind her. She was BEHIND THE FUCKING DOOR. the Bullet hit her in the face . That remark that Weaver was hiding behind his wife and kid really piss me off because it did not go down like that. Read the testimony. Harris shot and killed a U.S. marshal and was acquitted of any wrong doing as was Randy Weaver. Both were paid off as was Randy's daughter. Randy surrendered after his wife died. Sammy was carrying a ruger mini 14 and when the marshall shot his dog the yelled shit and fired toward the marshals and ran. He was shot in the back. Harris returned fire with a bolt action 30-06 killing one marshal.

So okay everyone has the right to an opinion but get your facts straight. Most of the facts in this article are correct.


Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

It's a good article, but I didn't learn much that I didn't already know about Ruby Ridge. I think any reasonable person has to agree that all of the law enforcement agencies involved in that fiasco were dead wrong, and some people within those agencies knew it at the time. Many of them should have stood criminal prosecution for their egregious misconduct.

But I still agree with vonslob that if Weaver didn't start this ball rolling, he sure as heck kicked it down the hill by refusing to appear in court. What sane person thinks things are going to end well when you refuse to appear in court and dare the US Marshal's service to come and get you? You don't fight the police on the street, or in the woods - in the Ruby Ridge case. You fight them in court. If Weaver had appeared, he could have easily beaten the weapons charge that kicked this whole thing off.

We want to scream about protecting the sanctity of our Constitution, but we don't want to use it. The rights within the Constitution are powerful weapons, if we're smart enough to use them. You exercise those rights by using them in court to embarrass and prosecute the trigger happy morons who have always been present, in the minority, within our law enforcement community. You do not refuse to comply with a bench warrant, and dare them to come after you. Even if was a trumped up charge, the concern that my family might be killed or injured when they came after me would induce me to seek my redress in court, not at the point of a gun. Weaver's family was wronged - by the US Attorney's Office, the FBI, the US Marshal's service, and by Randy Weaver.