A new TEOTWAWKI situation.......

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Seawolf1090, Jun 28, 2011.


  1. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    This past weekend, I watched a TV series from 2006 (caught the entire one-season run on HULU), and they brought forth an interesting new possible cause for Human disaster and extiction......

    A major new invasive species that threatens to bump us off the top of the food chain......

    "SURFACE". Catch it if you can - pretty good for a TV series. Plenty of Government cover-up/CT stuff to keep the tinfoil hat crowd happy, and lots of TV Science stuff. Pretty neat critter too.

    If the scenario of this show actually took place - we're all sushi!! [shtf]
     
  2. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    We're not quite sushi, just yet.

    I think you may be underestimating humanity's capacity for defending itself, and for destroying other creatures.


    At the moment, humans are destroying ocean fish stocks with gusto, and if the moratorium on whaling doesn't hold up, we'll be driving many whale species to extinction. The more likely scenario for man's destruction is likely to be from global starvation and its collateral effects (war, disease, economic and political instability etc) than some super critter knocking us of our precarious position on the evolutionary ladder.


    We are probably more of a danger to ourselves than some other species out competing us. Our species' capability of using our brains to solve problems, is a two edged sword...that same problem solving capacity also has, as often as not, a problem creation capability too, whether it be intentional or otherwisel.


    The series that you speak of is a science fiction show....and as entertainment, having a rapacious creature of mysterious origins terrorising humans upon the littoral margins of the world makes for better entertainment than watching a bunch of humans starving miserably to death.

    Still, there's nothing wrong in enjoying a well scripted, and well made science fiction TV show. : )
     
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  3. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    speaking of science fiction.... V the series, the original died without a whimper. Then we had the resurrected newer hotter V series, .... did it die without a whimper also or did we go Will Smith "independence day" on their rat eating reptile carcasses? I was just wondering.... or wandering depending on who you ask or where .... like the institution I escaped from :D(y)
     
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  4. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    (y) You escaped one institution to get into another. Just ask B.

    [beer]
     
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  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    WORD. Ghrit is A+ spot on.
     
  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I ain't in no stinkin institution. I is free I tell you.
     
  7. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Don't be so modest Tac : )

    Oh tac.....you're definitely an institution here!(at SM).


     
  8. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    all this chit chat.... and no one yet has answered my question about V the series.
    .
    I would be lying if I didn't say that I love Survival Monkey. If I am a slightly bent institution, so be it. If Melbo should ever feel I have gone too far, he need not ban me. I respect this place enough, that should he ask me to leave, I would be gone instantly. Sad, but gone.
     
  9. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Chell, it IS a valid consideration - a new species vying for domination - fiction or otherwise. Just an intersesting scenario anyways. An additional kicker is the critters were deep in the earth under the oceans, before coming up. Their increased activity is making 'Global Warming' look like a Sunday picnic - basically the entire Earth climate is being changed by them, in a way that dooms humanity. Tough critters too - impervious to many methods we would employ.
    The series ended with only one season, and a huge tsunami wiping out the East Coast......

    Never came back to show us how to deal with thousands of huge carnivorous amphibious critters rampaging the Earth.......
    Nuking would NOT be an option....... [shtf]
     
  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Well, I watched the 15 episodes of "Surface", and I found it to be generally entertaining enough to complete the series. I like the story of the kid as it progressed, and I liked the female scientist and her struggle as well. All plot aside, because frankly it was a mess to begin with --the part I found interesting was the secret corporation (mainly big pharma) entities running the cover-up. They murdered, plotted, and schemed their way to get what they wanted, often times using military and law enforcement as well as government agencies to assist. This type of conspiracy very closely mimics real life, and there were several moments when it seemed all too similar (the media spin especially). Again, the plot with the genetically created dinosaur/reptile creatures really wasn't of interest to me...but, I did find little "Nimrod" to be adorable. The typical "housewife" (sane by modern definition) did not understand the "crazy husband" -and this is a characteristic some could identify with, I am sure. We also have the self absorbed parents and their rebellious children, the divorced scientist mother and emotionally unstable child with the short tempered ex...all of these added depth to the story and kept it from becoming too boring to watch.

    If the story would have continued with the episode (it was canceled), there would have been more closure to the storyline, and perhaps a little more depth to the conspiracy to cover up an obvious threat...I mean, when these things start coming out of the ocean and eating people, it's a pretty safe bet the cover up is past its usefulness.

    Never once did I connect the genetically created monsters with the possibility this will ever happen. I am sure there are some pretty sick and twisted elites in the world who want nothing less than the eradication of 90% of the world's population; I just don't see how Godzilla formulates into this hypothesis in any plausible manner, science fiction or not.
     
  11. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    So, you don't think maybe someone at Monsanto might not get a little too creative, and the world be have unleashed upon it, say.... a ravening horde of "Spider Goats" hungry for human flesh? ;)

    And yep, Nimrod was adorable - in a way only a little boy could love. In a few years though, the kid will need a much bigger tank........ :rolleyes:

    Actually, we do see localised examples of "Mother Nature striking back" with packs of critters roaming where they shouldn't and attacking people.
    The carnivorous black squirrels in the Moscow winter, killing and eating dogs.......
    Wolves, the bigger Canadian Greys, attacking livestock and even people in a way our indigenous wolves do not.......
    As this old Earth is ravaged by Man, she seems to be fighting back occasionally. Whos to say some new species might not decide to contest ownership with us? Man has had his Million Years to make something constructive of himself, and has pretty well bollixed the job.
    In any case, it plays better than 'ZOMBIES' or Space Aliens......
     
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    I just loved the Az Husband that said his wife "wasn't being stupid," she was just taking pictures of the elk. It was a lot closer than 20 Yds. judging from the pictures that were taken. It always amazes "Me" when FlatLanders get themselves stomped of mauled by wildlife, in the wild, and just can't understand, that these animals ARE Wild..... and not pets.... The lady was just walking her little doggie, and the bear just munched her..... Yea, Right... That "Little Doggie" most likely NOT on a Leash, antagonized the bear, and then ran back to "Momma" with the angry bear hot on its heels... Duh....
     
  14. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    It's not so much the people, I blame the heat!
    Ok, maybe it's Al Gore and his danged POLAR BEARS stirring up all the trouble?
    Either or, there are some very very stupid people that just want to get closer to nature....and then scream when they get chewed on! Who knew?
     
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  15. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Bruce, talk about 'stupidity in action' - I once watched a PBS special on Alaskan Brown Bears raiding trash dumps, and the city was trying to 'clean up their act'. Before that though, this idiot tourist wanted to photograph the bears up close - had a danged PORKCHOP in his coat pocket! Reckon he figured on tossing it on the ground and clicking pics of Brer Bear eating....... he didn't seem to realise once the bruin downed the snack, HE'D be the main course! Lucky for him a taxi driver saw him and forced him into the car and took him back to town.......
    Some people....... :rolleyes:

    I call it the "Disneyfication of nature". They fail to reckon with the 'wild' in wilderness.
     
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  16. Wolfgang2000

    Wolfgang2000 Monkey++

    A lot of people think that life is Disney movie. You know where physics and gravity only apply when you want them to and the animals talk to you.
     
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  17. ChrisNuttall

    ChrisNuttall Monkey+++

    That might make a cool story. Ever read 'The Kraken Wakes'?

    Chris
     
  18. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    It's a recurring theme in the genre

    Yes......by John Wyndham......it's a good read, with sea monsters monstering humanity, disturbed by nuclear testing if I remember rightly.

    Another Sci Fi Novel of the humanity killing style is the Day of the Triffids, by the same author. The Legacy of Heorot, by Niven, Barnes and Pournelle have similar marine creature to the one featured in the OP.
     
  19. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Just watched the movie "Deep Rising", starring Treat Williams. Bad guys assault a cruise ship, hoping for a huge heist. They find huge mutant sea worms instead, of the "Chaotic Hungry" variety (old AD&D reference...).
    Good action flick, with a nifty rotating multi-barrel assault rifle of supposed Chinese design...... gotta research that - it was KEWL!!!! [gun]
     
  20. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    It actually happend just a few miles from me. Bears with little kiddie bears will always protect their little guys. This lady actually got between the mommie bear and the kiddie bear. Wrong ! Fact. I have fished up in N. Idaho along the canuck border and ran into a couple of Griz's that would make the record books shrink. Even on a narrow switch back hiking to high mtn. lakes where there is almost no way to give ground. By the way, bears don't usually give ground, and I am still here. Moose and Elk make me more nervous then bears ususally do. Both are big, nasty and the thought of having those antlers stuck up my rear end do not make me feel good. Mountain lion attacks also seem to be on the rise. Have seen several in last years. Wife heard some munching sounds on the front porch about 15 years ago, and being a little groggy from a deep sleep , assumed we somehow locked out one of the dogs. Upon opening the front door, was somewhat startled to discover a mtn. lion eating the dogs food. Just closed and locked the door and came back to bed. Lol . Still laugh at that one. I once had a rabid skunk stager into our campsite, and contrary to my wife's yelling at me to shoot it, simply chased it away with a few small stones well aimed at it. Knowing full well if I put a .44 mag into the stupid skunk, it would have rendered our camsite useless.

    I guess to sum up what I am saying is that when you stumble across wild critter's in their back yards, give them plenty of room and usually, you will fair ok. Try and get close to take a picture or feed them, and its anybodys guess what will happen to you.
     
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