ALERT: Flu pandemic starts 20 dead in Mexico city

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by fortunateson, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. QuietOne

    QuietOne Monkey++

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    You've all got it wrong. A man with the flu fell out of an airplane and on the way down hit a flying pig. Falling further they both ran into a sick duck. Perfectly logical. :rolleyes:
  2. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    Swine Flu Smoking Gun? CDC was Combining Flu Viruses in 2004

    (NaturalNews) Last week, when what is now called a "swine flu" was first reported to be infecting and killing some people in Mexico, health officials noted it was a strain of flu never before seen. In fact, it is technically incorrect to call this simply a "swine" flu. Analyses showed it's a mixture of swine, human and avian viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Moreover, it is genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years. Bottom line: the new flu virus contains DNA from avian, swine viruses (including elements from European and Asian viruses) and human viruses.

    So did this curious mixture just develop naturally, out of the blue? Is it the result of inhumane farming practices, as the Humane Society of the United States ( has suggested, that exposes immune-compromised pigs to all sorts of animal and human feces?

    Well, maybe. But let's go back and look at the facts to see if any other scenario could be possible.

    First of all, there's the troublesome detail that the virus has elements that come from multiple continents. Then there's the fact that true swine flu is only rarely transmissible to humans -- this flu is spreading human-to-human, most likely because it contains DNA from human flu.

    Could someone have deliberately mixed these viruses together? Is that possible? Absolutely.

    Was this virus mixing being done artificially in the lab, or had it already been done? Yes.

    Who was blending potentially viruses in labs? Were those horrible generic boogie men known to Americans far and wide as "terrorists" doing it? There's no proof of bioterrorism at work here yet. However, there is evidence the United States government has been working on concocting new flu virus blends.

    So could the hysteria-provoking, new swine flu have escaped from a lab? Or was it deliberately released as some kind of test? When these kinds of questions are asked, the knee-jerk reaction of the mainstream media (MSM) is to giggle and talk about "conspiracy theories" and to joke about wearing tinfoil hats.

    But here's the potential smoking gun, the facts that suggest a potential source of the pandemic could be CDC labs. And at the very least, this possibility deserves thoughtful examination and research.

    The University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) is hardly a place most Americans have heard about and, apparently, the Center's web site has news the MSM isn't familiar with, either. But information they published years ago has now taken on an urgent importance. CIDRAP, along with the Canadian newspaper Canadian Press (CP), revealed back in 2004 that the CDC was launching experiments designed to mix the H5N1 (avian) virus and human flu viruses. The goal was to find out how likely it was such a "reassortant" virus would emerge and just how dangerous it might be. Of course, it's logical to wonder if they also worked with the addition of a swine flu virus, too.

    Here's some background from the five-year-old report by the University of Minnesota research center: "One of the worst fears of infectious disease experts is that the H5N1 avian influenza virus now circulating in parts of Asia will combine with a human-adapted flu virus to create a deadly new flu virus that could spread around the world. That could happen, scientists predict, if someone who is already infected with an ordinary flu virus contracts the avian virus at the same time. The avian virus has already caused at least 48 confirmed human illness cases in Asia, of which 35 have been fatal. The virus has shown little ability to spread from person to person, but the fear is that a hybrid could combine the killing power of the avian virus with the transmissibility of human flu viruses. Now, rather than waiting to see if nature spawns such a hybrid, US scientists are planning to try to breed one themselves -- in the name of preparedness."

    And CDC officials actually confirmed the government had plans for the research. The CIDRAP News folks did a great job covering this important issue, which was apparently mostly ignored by the MSM back in 2004, and CIDRAP News wrote to the CDC for information. This e-mail produced an answer from CDC spokesman David Daigle who admitted the CDC was working on the project in two ways. "One is to infect cells in a laboratory tissue culture with H5N1 and human flu viruses at the same time and then watch to see if they mix. For the human virus, investigators will use A (H3N2), the strain that has caused most human flu cases in recent years," the CIDRAP story stated. This co-infection approach was described as slow and labor-intensive. However, it was a way to produce a new virus that appeared to be closer to what develops in nature.

    There was another, faster way CDC scientists could create the mix, too. Called reverse genetics, it involves piecing together a new virus with genes from the H5N1 and H3N2 viruses. Reverse genetics had already been used successfully to create H5N1 candidate vaccines in several laboratories, the CDC's Daigle wrote. "Any viable viruses that emerge from these processes will be seeded into animals that are considered good models for testing how flu viruses behave in humans... The aim will be to observe whether the animals get sick and whether infected animals can infect others," he revealed in his e-mail.

    What's more, the CP reported the CDC had already made hybrid viruses with H5N1 samples isolated from patients in Hong Kong in 1997, when there was the first outbreak of that virus, dubbed the "Hong Kong flu". It is not clear if the results of that research were ever published. Back in 2004, Dr. Nancy Cox, then head of the CDC's influenza branch, would tell the CP only: "Some gene combinations could be produced and others could not."

    The CP's report noted that the World Health Organization (WHO) had been "pleading" for laboratories to do this blending-of-viruses research. The reason? If successful, these flu mixes would back up WHO's warnings about the possibility of a flu pandemic. In fact, Klaus Stohr, head of the WHO's global flu program at the time, told the CP that if the experiments were successful in producing highly transmissible and pathogenic viruses, the agency would be even more worried -- but if labs couldn't create these mixed flu viruses, then the agency might have to ratchet down its level of concern.

    The 2004 CIDRAP News report addressed the obvious risks of manufacturing viruses in labs that, if released, could potentially spark a pandemic. However, the CDC's Daigle assured the Minnesota research group the virus melding would be done in a biosafety level 3 (BSL-3) laboratory. "We recognize that there is concern by some over this type of work. This concern may be heightened by reports of recent lab exposures in other lab facilities," he told CIDRAP. "But CDC has an incredible record in lab safety and is taking very strict precautions."

    Five years later, we must ask more questions. Were those safety measures enough? Was the CDC creating or testing any of these virus mixes in or near Mexico? What other potentially deadly virus combinations has the US government created? Don't US citizens, as taxpayers who funded these experiments, have a right to know? And for all the residents of planet earth faced with a potentially deadly global epidemic, isn't it time for the truth?
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    LOL there went the funny thread [fnny]
  4. Conagher

    Conagher Dark Custom Rider Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    People once said that the day we had a black president, pigs would fly.

    After 100 days into his presidency, we have swine flu.........[lolol]
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    Ya knew it was comin.
    I'm just surprised Tango didn't beat me to it!!
  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    LOL true....hehehe[boozingbuddies]
  7. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    It's a dry run so when they put out the real thing nobody will pay attention until it's well under way .
    Just set it in peoples minds that this is the big one and when it doesn't pan out nobody will even pay attention when it is the real thing .

  8. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Heck, the 'regular' flu kills thousands in this nation every year, and nobody gets worked up over it.
    Now the Mexican Flu (call it what is is....) kills a few hundred worldwide, and the FedGov is wetting it's frilly panties and threatening mass innoculations of a nonexistant vaccine and mass quarantine. Big to do over "mass graves" being prepared. I smell tinfoil hats smoldering......

    This flu may well mutate into something akin to the 1918 flu - but it sure ain't there yet! Let's prepare quietly and not give in to the hysteria. The FedGov has that covered...... [lolol]
  9. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Just curious to note: 3 years ago the US bought $2.0 Billion of Tamiflu from Roche. Tamiflu has a 3 year shelf life.....just me or did someone need to restock the expired tamiflu? WHO did it?
  10. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    In our state: Two school districts (not 2 schools - 2 entire districts) and one university are closed due to this.

    Face masks are gone in most stores, hand sanitizer is flying off the shelves.

    ~yawn~ Remind me to panic later.
  11. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Re: The Swine Flu-Fodder for the conspiracy theorists!

    I think this is pretty much over. Yes, I freaked, but only because something didn't smell right and STILL doesn't.
    So maybe this isn't population reduction This time as Cephus points out, but it may come next time when we're jaded.

    Another thing comes to mind: By next flu season, they will have a vaccine for this bug. They're even now talking about it's return next year. That is truly scary and something we all have to keep in mind.
    DO NOT EVER take a government issued shot!
    And with the scare they tried to instill, who knows - they may try to make it MANDATORY!
  12. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    I just went back here to re-read this refresh my memory and all...
    Somethings I hit on, makes it even more exciting now...( exciting may be a bad word to use!)
    1) not so long ago, someone in this country, ( forgot exactly who is was, maybe it was the "bug boys" up in Ft. Dietrich Maryland), dug up remains of some that died from the 1918 influenza and was doing research, (so they said at the time) to prevent another pandemic from ever happeinig again! ( now that is strange in itself!)

    2) "TAMIFLU" has been recalled recently, as it is now known to destroy the users sense of smell and in some cases even the taste buds!
    It's kind of interesting to go back and see what we were told, and what actually takes place, further down the time line....

  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

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