This is in 3 parts. As sent to family and friends via email. My 1st email response from an Aunt who is a democrat who voted for Lord Obama. Then a combo email my response to her email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- part one - my email as sent to family and friends . It is undisputed that Europe is dying a slow death and it is coming here. The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world. REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30 ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth. Europe died in Auschwitz ... We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world. The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned. And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride. They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts. And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs. What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1988 - Najib Mahfooz World Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 - Elias James Corey 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 1999 - Ahmed Zewai Economics: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 1998 - Ferid Mourad TOTAL: 7 (only SEVEN) The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics: 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Robert Fogel Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis 1996- Lu RoseIacovino **** TOTAL: 129! **** The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them. Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all: "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel .." - Benjamin Netanyahu - General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened' Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it. It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way. Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets. This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world. How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ? Do not just delete this message; it will take only a minute to pass this along. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ part two - a response email received from a Lord Obama supporter Do you ever wonder how many of those Jewish people and their mothers,fathers,brothers,sisters,children and grandchildren have had their lives saved and/or extended by the Doctors, Nurses, Technicians, Health Care Providers, Hospitals, and Clinics all over the world who are Muslims. It is such a narrow minded person who looks down a narrow little cyllinder and only sees what is at the end of that opening. If those people would only open their eyes, they would realize that somevbody near and dear to them, some person they love, has been cared for and/or saved by a Muslim, or several Muslims. We, as Americans, should be worried more about our own home grown terrorists and hate groups, instead of Muslim terrorists who cause the entire Muslim nation to be condemned by narrow minded people who do not have the capacity, nor humility, and obviously do not have the statistics of who the Doctors and Helath Care providers are (here in America and around the world)-that are responsible for saving probably at least 90% of critical patients, here in America, and around the world! Seldom does a stupid, narrow minded email catch my eye enough to bother with, but, you have to know the true facts about this, and/or- to at least do some research before passing on this type email which spews anger, hate, and negativity-which is eating away at the very fiber of our nation, and is helping the Muslim terrorists in their struggle to see the downfall of the United States of America. I love my country-MY USA-- much to much-- to allow these people to fall into their trap by passing on this type of GARBAGE!! Hope you are healthy and won't have to depend on any Muslims to save your life, and/or take care of you. You should come down and have lunch one day. -- Take Care-- Mary Ann ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- part 3 - my combo response to the above email Mary Ann, I will keep my text in blue to respond to you various points below. I have no doubt there are some good peace loving Muslims who are educated and intelligent productive usefull members who stand out on a World level head and shoulders above their peers. Yes I wonder about many many things. I am a world class, world traveller and people watcher. I have much more than a passing knowledge of many religions and societies. Some of these are separate from one another (religion/society) and others are no doubt one and the same. Some are tolerant of other beliefs and others are not. My biggest complaint, and the reason I have pretty much turned my back on "Organized Religion" is the killing over the ages in the name of various Gods. Christainity has it's own sordid history and as recently the Ireland abuses were killing each other for ancient grievences and minor religious differences (Catholic against Protestant). I cases where Religion and Government are very closely intertwined (a Muslim/Islamic near past example, Iran and Iraq), neighboring countries have fought and killed each other for nothing more than minor sect (Suni / Shia) differences. Many Muslim nations routinely tear themselves apart internally due to these sect splits, differences, and old feuds. Some have been doing this since the 7th century and are so backwards assed, they are perpetual 3rd world countries with nothing worthwhile to share with the world. Afghanistan falls into this category for me. USA should not be in the business of nation building. Such interferrence is counterproductive to World peace and any love for America. Regardless of all the good or bad that USA actually does or is perceived to do on a World level, We will be hated by some for our interferience! I am absolutely fed up with us trying to be the worlds policeman, or Nation builders (overt or covert). I am fed up with us pissing away American dollars to countries that hate us. We have enough problems of our own to fix right here in the USA, and we are practically bankrupt. There is not many countries in the entire world outside of America worth one drop of American Military or civilian blood. Do you ever wonder how many of those Jewish people and their mothers,fathers,brothers,sisters,children and grandchildren have had their lives saved and/or extended by the Doctors, Nurses, Technicians, Health Care Providers, Hospitals, and Clinics all over the world who are Muslims. Since Muslims outnumber Jews on a ratio of 1000 to 1, and also make up 20% of the entire Worlds Population, I am reasonably sure that many good Doctors are Muslim, and save lives Worldwide, as well as in the USA. I will even give you the possibility the the Nobel World Prizes are predjudiced for the Jews due to Guilt from the Holocaust. Alfred Nobel was Swedish if my memory serves me well. Sweden while officially neutral during WWII was under Germany's control, Isolated and blockaded and her factories and industry provided war materials to Germany during that war. However, try this question if you will. Name me some Predominately Muslim Countries that stand out as examples to the world as great Countries. Countries whose balance sheet when comparing good to bad makes them stand out. I believe I can state facts about any Country that you name that will point out facts that change your mind, or should as to whether they are good or bad on a world level. It is such a narrow minded person who looks down a narrow little cyllinder and only sees what is at the end of that opening. If those people would only open their eyes, they would realize that somevbody near and dear to them, some person they love, has been cared for and/or saved by a Muslim, or several Muslims. I am not going to turn this statement around on you and accuse you of being narrow minded. It is not up to me to judge. I know I have travelled the world far and wide. I have observed, mixed with, studied and talked with foriegn military and civilians. Business people and farmers, craftsmen, religious people, and common laborers. I have had no, one verbal intercourse with statesmen or politicians. They make enough of a splash in the world news that I have followed the exploits and accomplishments, and failures of those there. I am hardly narrow minded. I am well read, and I have formed my thoughts and opinions through endless observation and expierences. We may disagree on many things, but stupid I am not, and Ignorance I am constantly working on, both for myself and others. Ignorance can be cured with facts, study and observation, Stupidity can not. We, as Americans, should be worried more about our own home grown terrorists and hate groups, instead of Muslim terrorists who cause the entire Muslim nation to be condemned by narrow minded people who do not have the capacity, nor humility, and obviously do not have the statistics of who the Doctors and Helath Care providers are (here in America and around the world)-that are responsible for saving probably at least 90% of critical patients, here in America, and around the world! Was it Abraham Lincoln who said, "you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can not please all of the people all of the time."? I would paraphrase that and say, "American can please most of the World some of the time, and some of the World most of the time, but never please all of the World anytime." Muslims do need to police themselves if they want world respect. Education for all women and children and other illiterates in 3rd world Muslim countries is a neccessity as well. Tell me how many Muslim doctors do you know of who got their entire training in the predominately muslim country they came from? How many are second or third generation immigants who were schooled somewhere in the western world? Ask your Muslim western doctor those questions. Open your eyes. Seldom does a stupid, narrow minded email catch my eye enough to bother with, This has pretty much addressed a couple of paragraphs back. I just wanted to point out that most of what you have said is opinion and not neccessarily fact. I also noted you didn't deny any of the facts stated in the original email about muslim terrorist acts. Islam and the Koran is not a religion of peace in it's truest form. That is why the various sects kill each other. The true source of anger and hate in all this is in the Koran! but , you have to know the true facts about this, and/or- to at least do some research before passing on this type email which spews anger, hate, and negativity-which is eating away at the very fiber of our nation, and is helping the Muslim terrorists in their struggle to see the downfall of the United States of America. The news article which you claim spews anger, hate, and negativity was not written or published by any of the PC slanted major news media of the USA. It was published in Spain which had suffered islamic terrorist attacks in 2004 and 1987. The following link has world wide terrorist attacks documented. Go down to 1970 until present and click on a recent year and check out for yourself the European attacks and how many are tied to Muslim or Islamic terrorists. By the way, in my search there were no European attacks by American terrorist groups or Jewish ones. Go figure! So much for those hate mongering westerners and Americans. How about those peace loving Muslims and Islamic peoples. You cannot dispute numbers like these! Muslims need to reign in their own or expect to be painted with a wide brush. It's truely a wonder that Israel has not yet used a nuke. Hate mongering evil Jews that they are. . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present I love my country-MY USA-- much to much-- to allow these people to fall into their trap by passing on this type of GARBAGE!! To each his or her own opinion! That's what I love the most about this country. Free will to make your own choice. By the way, most of your peaceful predominately muslim countries think you as a female less than a man, unworthy of schooling, only as baby makers, home makers, to be hidden in the home to serve the man and or be beaten or even killed at his whim. No free will for the chattel in a muslim household. Hope you are healthy and won't have to depend on any Muslims to save your life, and/or take care of you. I plan on some corrective arm surgery in the near future. My Doctor, V****. J***, who I only assumed was from India or Pakistan or somwhere nearby, I will ask about his ethnic origin and religious persuasion, and where he was schooled. I doubt it will change anything, or my decision about the surgery or the doctor. I really had not given it much thought at all. You have opened my eyes. Maybe he is a terrorist just waiting to maim me. Take Care-- Mary Ann You too! Love, -- Tom PS: can I still call you and take you to lunch?