Anybody here storing Gas masks?

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Tango3, Dec 27, 2006.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Watching the teotawki stuff on history channel they covered alot of natural cataclysms. The super volcanic eruptions/ asteroids throw their own fallout ( fine ash/pumice and glass ) create cement in the moist lining of the lungs, not a particularly nice way to go...So besides the obvious man made military NBC threats. full masks and filters may be a good idea. Hell look at mahnhattan after WTC...Anybody here "up" on masks?
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I always have one in storage, and filters as well. [touchdown] Israeli masks work fine.
  3. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I used to sell army surplus. I got a deal on 2 cases of German gas masks and filters before Y2K. I sold some and have kept back about a dozen. What did you want to know about them?

    They are a good thing to have in a disaster kit. The filters if left unopened should be good indefinately(the round canister type). They last 12 hours after opening depending on the amount of material being filtered(ie: fallout material etc.). If they have the rubber tab missing off of the opening they will deterioate over time. The carbon loses it's ability to absorb materials. Don't buy,or trust, any that do not have a good seal.

    The rubber masks store for years if kept in a stable environment. I keep mine wrapped in the original plastic packages and stored in a closet. You don't want them subjected to extreme temperature changes or direct sunlight, cleaning, or petroleum based products.

    Also check the ratings on the filters. Not all are rated for NBC.

    I have no experience with the US made ones, but the German, NATO, ones are very good quality for much less than American made.
    The Isreali ones are cheaper but not as good a quality. Also remember that an adult mask will not properly fit a child. There are children and even infant sized masks. Stay away from the russian ones, they're junk.
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Thanks that's a start,I've trained on the old usmilitary m17 and the newer single lense/ sidecannister one...guess it wouldn't hurt to store a fewand extra canisters.
    Are yousaying the cannisters are only viable for 12hours after they are opened ??
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    12 hours of use. If you are breathing through one it is absorbing filtrates. Depending on the amount of material in the air the filter will become saturated and useless in 12 or less hours.
    Once the rubber cap is removed the carbon starts to absorb microscopic material from the air. If left unsealed the filter will be useless in a short time. Not as fast as breathing through it but still rather quickly.
    Nearly any scenario that would constitute the use of a gas mask should resolve in less than the 12 hour life of the filter. Even nuclear fallout will dissipate in a few hours. 2 filters should get you through any crises.
  6. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    How much are the Israeli ones going for?
  7. brotherpoop

    brotherpoop Monkey+++

    Link above for a place 12 miles from my house I purchased some Israel masks and a couple dozen filters from some time ago. They want $15.00 now for a mask and one filter (Swiss or Russian).

    I did use one filter once when I put some shower board in the bathroom. The glue epoxy was some wicked stuff. The filter worked great and I never smelled a thing, no headache, so I don't think any of the fumes got to me at all.
  8. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    I know a certain amount of time will pass and the majority of the fallout will be gone, though what about this Yellowstone Caldera thing? Does the ash quit falling at about 12 or could it keep going for longer? And would you need to, or choose to, replace the filter at 6hours instead as the ash has a lot of stuff in it?
  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I have used one while doing some construction and using chemicals. Like bp says I didn't smell anything, worked great.

    I would think that in an ash storm scenario you would try to filter out as much as possible by getting indoors, covering up with a blanket, tarp etc., That would extend the life of the filter. But you can hold your breath and swap out a new one in seconds. I assume that when it gets saturated that it gets harder to draw air through it. So you will know when it is time to change out

    Remember how long they gassed the Branch Davidians? Several hours, and they couldn't force them to come out. They all had gas masks and lots of filters. Wasn't until the place "accidentally" caught fire that they started trying to escape.

    I don't know what the prices are running now. I haven't been involved in the surplus market for years. I have seen some crazy prices on them before. $100+ on E-Bay after 9/11 for Isreali masks that were selling for $10 a month before.

    Normal should be about $10-$15 for NATO, $10 for Isreali , less for Russian. And the US ones go for around $50 - $75. Those prices may vary considerably depending on availability, and, like 9/11, will go through the roof if another terrorist attack occurs.
  10. ridgerunner58

    ridgerunner58 Monkey+++

    I have several Israeli & one German as well as several spare cannisters...Will I ever need them?...Who knows,but better safe than sorry.
  11. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    Sounds like a plan. Have spare filters and a gas mask and you can switch when it's hard to breathe. I think I'll get one of the US ones. Have used a GI issue one for CS training and that worked okay for me. Just got to remember when sealing it, to not breathe in too hard or it may dislodge the diaphragm and allow all the good stuff to get in the mask. Haha.
  12. duanet

    duanet Monkey+++

    Gas masks are fine for a lot of things, but it is hard to beat a good N-95 rated face mask. Be sure that they are rated N-95 and are not dust masks. Will not filter out chemicals, but for bird flu, dust, etc they can not be beat and I bought another pack of 20 for about $20. Use them when you work with sheet rock, insulation, insecticide dust in your garden and such and you will do yourself a big favor. Unlike a gas mask, it is something I routinely use. You can wear it downtown if you want to. See people with health or immune problems and workers using them all the time . Thus they are fresh and have no "threat" effect on people. Still need gas masks for shtf, but how many are enough and how many filters. I keep 10 N-95 masks, packed individually, in my bob in the car. They take up about the space of one canister for a mask at most. They also make face masks for painting and welding that have excellent filters and are new for abou $25 - 30 and a pair of filters for extras are about $15 - 20. They don't protect the eyes like a gas mask, but they are new, fresh and available. Home Depots prices are lousy, find a supply store that sells to your local tradesman. The full protection suits and masks for painting, now that they are using the 2 part auto paints are very close to the chemical suits, come in all sizes, and run $15 - 20 for a suit, booties, and head covering that will stop dust and paint vapors. Can find them in any decent auto parts store, not in your auto toys store though.
  13. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    Okay, in an ash environment, MOPP4, coveralls or something in between?
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  15. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Roughly $15-$30 each. I would'nt try to be too frugal on pricing a decent mask. The best sellers will tell you if the mask is new or used, and will not try to lie to you. I use Military Griffin because I have been buying from them for years on Ebay with no problems, and if there ever were, it would be taken care of.

    Additionally, I have used the US issue masks, and I will be the first to tell you that they are garbage. In the US military's mind, the soldier is even more expendable if it ever comes to biological warfare...but the Israeli's have been fighting for centuries. I KNOW their masks work.
  16. sci

    sci Monkey+++

    Just checking the pool here, but how many of you guys storing gas masks are of the bug out type? The bug-in type? Or are you the "just prepared" type, trying to get out of the burning building, etc.?

    I am a bug-out man myself, and I've been toying with the idea of packing NBC gear, but I face a big problem: food. Sure there are special connections for hydration, but eventually that mask is going to have to come off so you can eat, and that suit is going to have to come off so it doesn't become a diaper. Really, if you're that close within the range of any type of NBC and moving by foot, it seems you're pretty much dead meat.

    The way I see it, with the wide range of NBC hazards, fallout, etc., the mask just prolongs life until the inevitable comes about: death by exhaustion just trying to escape the area. Even if you did get out of the area to a somewhat safe and remote area, all of your gear would be contaminated, so there's no sure ware of avoiding contamination all together.

    For those bugging out, what are your plans for getting out of such an area? For those bugging in, how long do you intend to wear your mask inside your home/shelter?
  17. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    NBC depending on your proximity to the blast zone, can be managed effectively. Nuclear material dissipates quickly. Fallout and or chemical or bio contamination can be dealt with. Basically washing everything down after exposure. Most chemical agents can be nutralized with a chlorine bleach solution.

    here is some good info on nuclear fallout:
  18. duanet

    duanet Monkey+++

    Plan to bug in as much as possible and see the need for a biological mask and dust mask. I don't think that nuclear and radiation is as much of a threat as it used to be and if it does happen, it is more likely be a small or dirty bomb. I do see flu every year, and at 69 I don't have a lot of faith in flu shots. Anthrax or a slightly mutated biological agent are still around. I don"t think it is a question of if there will be a biological event, natural or manmade, but when. I will never forget watching the rabbit cycle when I was a kid. In fact I got caught in it and damn near joined most of the rabbits. I somehow caught tulremana or rabbit fever when I was about 7. Probably not carefull enough in skinning a rabbit I shot. Was sick for 3 months and in the hospital for 3 weeks. In a shtf situation, I would have been dead. The rabbit population, with amost unlimited food and cover in rural Minnesota used to grow and grow with their natural preditators population way behind. When the rabbit population got high enough, with all of resultant frequent contact between the rabbits, some disease or another spread through them like wildfire and 90 % or more died. Then the preditator population crashed and the few surviving rabbits started the whole cycle over again. Took about 9 - 10 years. It looks to me like the human cycle may be a lot longer, but when you say your old childrens verses you will really see how it stuck in our minds. Ring around the rosy, pocket full of posies, all fall down. That was being bitten by a flea carried on a rat, and developing a circlear rash and dieing and getting flowers on the coffin. That happened when the population density encreased until the rats not only lived in your house, but traveled throughout the town and trade carried goods in waggons and ships from one town to the next with rats in the goods. Some think that half of the people in Euorpe died in that little cycle. Now bugging in, wearing a mask if going out, being self sufficient for a few weeks, etc seems like better insurance than the price of a couple or three dvd's. My humble opinion, Was working on sheetrock today and used the N-95 masks and took a shower after taking off a tyvak pair of coveralls. I am oput about $20, recycled and tested one pair of coveralls and mask and I don't have a cough or itch from the insulation or the sheetrock dust. To me that is a good investment in long term survival.
  19. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I have an MSA millennium for each in the family. Around $275 each and the CNBC filters are pretty pricey as well. I think I have a few cases of those.

    Also, the new baby has her own NBC 'bag' compliments of Bear.

    If a time comes that I feel we need them, I wanted the best.
    I have a few of the old M17s as hand outs but they take longer than I can hold my breath to perform a filter change.

  20. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I need to pick up a few of these, it would be especially good for installing insulation.

    I don't have any gas masks. I need to get with it and start looking for some.
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