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Are elections rigged in the USA?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bandit99, Oct 2, 2016.

  1. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    After much thought, I decided to ask this question to get an idea of what people think but also so that I can put my mind to rest...if that makes any sense. Maybe I am just getting paranoid with old age...but maybe not.

    This year has been an eye-opener for me with the Benghazi thing, strange deaths, the illegal Email Server and on and on and on... but truthfully, until recently, I refused to let myself believe that our elections were rigged but since this Democratic Election where Bernie was brush aside no matter what the votes said - well - I am having second thoughts.

    Most will say I am naïve and that is true as I have lived my entire adult life outside the country, 38 years to be exact, even though I am a citizen. The first time I was told they were rigged were by some young 20-22 years old soldiers out of New York who said they weren't voting because it was all ready decided. I preceded to chew them out about their duty as citizens and blah, blah, blah...and I am now sure they saw me as a naïve old man. We were in a third-world country and they (National Guard unit) came just to work on a communication tower for just two weeks, nice guys. For some reason this has always stayed with me and I remember it clearly. I think even though I talked a good game I must have had, even then, doubt.

    I have seen this in third-world countries and one learns to expect it but here? Even there they go through the process of having the people vote giving them the impression that they have a voice and are in control of their future, placating the masses. But, the idea of rigged elections are so absurd for the leader of the free world, the first of the first-world countries that it is a bit much to believe...at first. But, is it really possible? I mean, if so, then everything is a lie, a facade, a charade...and in all honesty, then there is no hope for change, at least peacefully via democratic means... So, I am trying to come to grips with this but, again, maybe I am just paranoid. But, am I?

    What is your opinion? Are elections rigged in the USA?
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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I do NOT believe elections are rigged, but I DO believe they are influenced heavily with cash in one form or another and therefore the outcome is preordained. Negative ads are more readily believed than truthful ones.
  3. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Election fraud is an American tradition. I don't believe that our Presidential election is blatantly rigged, but I do believe it will be persuaded a bit.
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  4. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    @ghrit "...but I DO believe they are influenced heavily with cash in one form or another and therefore the outcome is preordained."
    Yes, that can be blatantly obvious sometimes like when McCain ran against Obama. He had $130M in his campaign war chest while Obama had $650M+. I have often thought we should have a level playing field so I think a cap should be put on campaign funds, cap them both at $100M or even less.

    @3M-TA3 "Election fraud is an American tradition."
    That is an excellent point and one that I did not consider. It truly is.
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  5. john316

    john316 Monkey+

    no but we try hard
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  6. BlueDuck

    BlueDuck Monkey

    Depends on what you call rigged. Dead people vote every election. The guy who shot the 5 people in Seattle a couple of weeks ago was an illegal alien who voted in the last 3 elections. Ever wonder why they fight so hard to not require photo ID's? If its not rigged, there are sure a lot of easy loop holes.
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  7. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    My wife just saw this... She's a third-world person and actually worked twice in her country during its election counting ballets and etc. She stop when she saw how corrupt it was. She herself saw ballot boxes being stuffed with fake votes so she never said anything and walked out, didn't go back. She never talks politics, hates it actually. We have been back 21 months now and more and more she laughs at me saying, "Don't be silly. It is the same all over the world, even in America, maybe even worse here." And, frankly, after all the crap that has happened this year (much of which reminds me of a third-world country) I can no longer refute her statement. This morning she actually found this on a Russian website first then went looking and found it on a minor news media website in English for me. I believe the 'Christian Times' is a creditable source but maybe not. Dunno. But, this type of crap sure makes it hard to believe anymore.

    BREAKING: “Tens of thousands” of fraudulent Clinton votes found in Ohio warehouse
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  8. DarkLight

    DarkLight I self identify as a Blackhawk Attack Helicopter! Site Supporter

    I have had this same problem multiple times over the last three elections and primaries.

    I voted for a candidate and the paper printout showed the other candidate. I even called them over and did it in front of the election worker and they made a note but I was never contacted our anything. I want to say it has happened in 2 primaries and two elections.

    Yes, in my opinion, it is rigged when they feel it needs to be.

    Voter fraud is rigging the election. If the dead vote, it's to influence the outcome by illegal means...rigging.

    If what I choose is not what gets reported, I believe it's on purpose and is done to influence the outcome by illegal means...rigging.

    The question, in my mind, isn't whether or not it's rigged, it's how badly is it rigged.
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  9. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    I've always thought of the elections as a preschool puppet show: The teacher holds out all her puppets for the children saying "which one should I use in my new show?" and all the kids fight over which one they like best.

    No matter which puppet they pick, it's still going to be the same show.
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  10. Oltymer

    Oltymer Monkey+

    Diebold voting machines have a reputation of being easily hacked - so if your voting and using this equipment, then good luck to ya!
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  11. Legion489

    Legion489 Shining the Light of Truth

    No of course not. Just because Obummer got 110% of the vote in many areas (go look it up), the plane carrying all the European military vote got blown up mid-flight (and then it turned out to NOT have the votes on it and the demonrats fought tooth and nail to NOT allow them), or the book VOTE SCAM, no, the elections in the US are pure as the driven snow.:Do_O[sarc1][tf]

    Personally I got Vote Scammed twice (two elections/different places). When I ran for state office and went in the next day and demanded to see the votes (as per State Law) I was told I couldn't! "I SURE CAN!" No, we destroyed them last night after counting, they are no longer available to be seen (again, violation of state law which states they have to be available for a least a week to be viewed by candidates).[violin]Of course when the polls closed I had a HUGE lead, but all the "reporters" told me I lost. "WHAT?! I have a HUGE lead!" Don't worry, you lost by THIS amount! - and I did. Amazingly enough.
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  12. duane

    duane Monkey++

    You don't need to rig the national elections. With the two party system and the rigging of the primaries, the need to be on the ballots in all the states, the dog and pony shows called debates, the biased news and the emphasis on the gotcha, the actual ballot doesn't really matter. You end up with either the best preacher or a party hack with a lot of favor to call in and knowledge of where the bodies are buried. It really helps the dignity, or the lack there of the process when the president acts as the chief spokesman of the party. A third party candidate doesn't have a chance and the two parties are in bed with each other. Doesn't matter who controls the congress and the presidency, we are up to 20 trillion now and have tied up 30 to 40 trillion more in unfunded programs. The good old boys sit down over a martini and trade favors and you and your future are toast.
    Have been in a couple attempts to count the paper ballots, hand marked, and compare them to the automatic tabulation by machine. Hasn't happened and when we tried to go back to hand counting the ballots, the stat struck it down so quick that you would have thought we wished to suceed from the state.
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  13. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    RIGGED to the MAX

    And I hear that the United Nations "USA / CIA " will oversee A third world election , because of fraud ,(that's USA to the core ) , Thats the Fox letting the Weasel the nod while the chicken is counting !!!

    Total Joke & entertainment for the rest of the world .
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  14. DarkLight

    DarkLight I self identify as a Blackhawk Attack Helicopter! Site Supporter

    Except it's not funny in the slightest. ;)
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  15. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    I agree 1000% SIR !!!

    Taxation WITHOUT any representation !!!
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  16. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    Yet, we have the audacity to force other countries to let us oversee their voting process or claim they are not our equal because they don't do things our way...makes me ill at the thought of it.

    But, the good news is that I am not a paranoid or if I am then most everyone on this forum is also so I am in good company. :)
    EDIT: more and more I become to truly understand the French revolutionaries and their guillotine.
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  17. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Let's not forget the Electoral Collage vote Takes care of the voting FOR US! By deciding what is best for us regardless of the actual vote as counted in each state! So............You and I and the majority of citizens all vote for for Dumb Azz #1 and the Elect Coll, says Dumb Azz #2.................Guess what, We get Dumb Azz #2 even though we all voted for #1!!!!!! Some one wanna 'splain that to me, cause It would seem to matter what the actual voice of the Sheeple IS and not what they THINK it is!!!!!!!! Rigged? Nope, Not at all!!!!
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  18. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    You sure it's us that does the forcing? Thot it was the UN. Of course, we are complicit--
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  19. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Call it "rigged", or "fake" --it definitely isn't honest.
    From DieBold scams and the false paradigm two party system, the Electoral College, the corporate (CFR) media and and endless parade of lobbyists, to the indoctrination centers known as "schools" and "universities", the private banking system and global enterprise cartel who actually own this country, it's really not too difficult to see that it's not operating on the level. But, with as many people as we have firmly held by the Matrix, and the illusion of "Democracy" deeply rooted in their shriveled skulls, I can see how this myth has been perpetually blossoming. Government is actually more like a festering, cancerous wound than anything else.

    The thing is, even if Democracy did work, it's certainly no excuse for us to accept the level of tyranny which currently exists.
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  20. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    From what I have seen the UN cannot do anything for itself. They are toothless. We are the UN enforcers via economic or military force. Even if other countries have a few ground troops they always rely on the USA for Intelligence, Logistics, Communications and Transport. No other country has it in any quanity to be effective. They just cannot do it. And, that is why we require a much larger military than what is truly necessary to protect just ourselves and just our requirements.
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