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Bug Out or Dig In? Interactive tool at bug-out-or-dig-in.com

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by JC Refuge, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. JC Refuge

    JC Refuge Crisis Preparedness Provider Vendor

    This is kind of a fun way to visit various scenarios and think about what your best options are:


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  2. ssonb

    ssonb Confederate American

    It said that I needed to bugin except for fire or flood....I did not see a dropdown for when the mother in law comes to live with us!!!:shock:
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  3. Harbin

    Harbin Monkey+

    Mine said the same- and I feel the same about the mother in law- she's actually coming up here this weekend! I'm actually bugging out- going to work on the house all weekend!

    I'm actually of the mindset to bug-in, we are less than 2 months from moving into a house we are building. It's an ICF house w/ 6" thick concrete exterior walls from the footings up to the gables. It might not be a bunker, but it's about as close as I'm gonna get.
  4. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    It is fields of fire which count. If there is a blind spot that is where they will come.
  5. Harbin

    Harbin Monkey+

    Lol, that's exactly what I was thinking when we opted to build dormers on both ends of the house. My wife said "those will give such a nice view of the yard. I smiled, and said "yes dear". The biggest blind spot was the east side where the garage doors are. A bonus room build into the trusses with 2 dormers took care of that. Even gives an unobstructed view of the shop. Its not perfect, but I'll keep at it.

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  6. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    One of the avoids for up high and inside is being silhouetted.
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Exactly so. Make sure the lights in the room behind you, upstairs or down, are off if you intend to engage targets outside.
  8. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    On your dormers--you can harden them with steel plates in front and below your position. Rounds coming will be at an upward angle so vertical/horizontal plates will easily deflect them.
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Unless you are at the base of a hill -- YMMV.
  10. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    I think the interactive tool is full of crap.

    My responses: (checked)

    I have a secure, well-built, defensible home.

    I have a storm shelter, fallout shelter, or saferoom built into my home or on my property.

    I have reliable transportation of some form

    I have a stored fuel supply, with two months or more of capacity.
    Two months ? How about YEARS.

    I have some form of alternative electrical source, such as a solar system or a generator, but my power source has a capacity of four kilowatts (4,000 watts) or more.

    I have a stored supply of shelf-stable food, with enough to provide at least 2,000 calories per person for a minimum of two months.
    Two months ? How about YEARS. How about the ability to PRODUCE food ? Two months is what a college kid ought to have in the dorm closet.

    I have a source for potable fresh water, and the tools and equipment needed to purify it for safe drinking.

    My current location is in a rural setting (nowhere near a major metropolitan area).
    How about rural and picked a highly defensive location, easily blocked from the outside world ?

    I have strong local community support, such as a well- organized neighborhood watch program, church outreach programs, or friends and relatives that live closeby.

    SHTF option: Economic collapse

    "Slight" advantage to bunkering down over bugging out......185:165

    REALLY ????

    With all that...... AND MORE......would anyone kindly tell me WHERE THE HECK I WOULD BUG OUT "TO" THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN HERE ???????

    It would take a couple of Mayflower vans to put a dent in moving my preps.....why would I even try ??

    Nope......sorry.....NOT impressed with the 'tool'......
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  11. JC Refuge

    JC Refuge Crisis Preparedness Provider Vendor

    Andy, tell me what you really think.

    I'll tell you how it works in the meantime--the scores are not intended to be definitive or represent the "weight" one way or the other about your decision for given situations.

    This is simply about thinking what you (actually--it's aimed at someone new to preparedness) might do in a given situation. Sorry, but for most folks, it is not going to ever be cut and dry. There is always going to be doubt and circumstances that require thought.

    This is not meant to replace your noggin--it is intended to get beginners thinking in the right direction. I, like you, intend to never leave my fortress and refuge. I've been at this for close to 35 years now. But if I enter my particulars in this thing, there are going to be a few times I am told I might want to leave.

    Did you read the intro?

    Bottom line--I originally designed this thing on paper to be far more complex and interactive. But when it came time to get a prgrammer to put it all together for me, my choice was a few hundred dollars for this simplified version or a few thousand dollars for what I actually wanted. Obviously, I decided I had other uses for those thousands.

    Andy, I know you have the funds and the time--maybe you can put together a real tool for the betterment of prep-kind.
  12. Harbin

    Harbin Monkey+

    Lol, yeah another good tip for any shooter is don't stick your barrel out the window... :eek: DIs at Benning covered quite a bit about concealment:sly:

    seriously though one point that I spent quite a bit of time on when picking the land was how defensible it could be. We are off a private road and have great fields of view along with almost enough forest to conceal us.

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  13. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    After you have a target, be well inside the room when you shoot. If the room is painted a light color, it is easier to pick up your silhouette.

    The "tactical" problem with windows is the farther back from the window you are positioned; the more the window will limit your field of vision. When you need to stick your barrel out the window; often it means "they" are close and you should have left already. :D

    Anyone with one iota of military training or common sense will "observe" before approaching any structure. If people live in the building; the area (paths, gardens, etc) will show signs that it is occupied. Once these signs are seen; they know.

    Divide your time equally between what you would do and what you would do if you were them.
    Unless "they" are ex-SF etc being sneaky; usually what they will "do" will be follow the path of least resistance while traveling. For example, where I live the slopes are between 55 and 75 degrees. Why would I go up the 65-75 degree ones? These are natural paths for animals and also people who don't know you live there.
    These natural lines of travel are good places to set up your warning devices. As an old school bell and some fishing line is an excellent warning device; think out of the box. ;)


    Same as many others, I have too much to carry. Bug out is more for city and suburban people than rural or remote. As always, I am curious just where they are going when they bug out.

    Make me bug out and I'll introduce whoever to precision long distance shooting.
  14. wrc223

    wrc223 Monkey+

    I am leary of any site that grades me based on a snipping of data.
    I mean really.....Fuel for your "reliable" transportation? So much concern over electricity? Wouldnt a real plan involve one that would make one self sufficient WITHOUT electricity? Why the emphasis on things that can easily be knocked out by the conditions or catastrophies in the drop down box? Yeah, I got two months worth of gas for my reliable car!! The EMP pulse knocked out the car but hey.....before that it was a brand new import with the highest reliability rating on the market.
    Intended for a new prepper or for a long time prepper, this is a borderline dangerous tool. In my opinion it leads people to worry about things that will not work long term or could easily be taken away/knocked out of service.
    Sweet, you got a gentec generator that supplies your home with more power than the utility ever did. Meanwhile the SHTF and everyone all around knows EXACTLY where to go to get what they need. You know how I know they will do that? Simple...not one single question about security or weapons.
    Kick ass......you got a reliable car, can make >4000 watts of power, have solar power backup, and plenty of water. I do too!! I got YOURS because all I had was an old H&R break action shotgun and you had a "safe" room.
  15. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    First one prepares with food, medical, shelter, and everything else. Now, the reality you cannot carry it all sets in. So you must have the means to defend and protect it. Here is where my thoughts and opinions often part ways from those of others.
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