Bulk propane

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by oil pan 4, Dec 25, 2017.


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  1. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    That would be very high for normal digesters, and would seriously lengthen the digestion time; that pressure would inhibit digestion or even halt the process entirely. (The bugs get annoyed and refuse to work.) We used to design around an average of 12.5 inches water column.

    From http://digester.com/learning/introduction-to-anaerobic-digestion/
    Typical pressures range from 4-16 inches of water column (there are 27.7 inches of water column in one psi).

    Now, back to your regularly schedule propane discussion. Please.
     
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  2. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I drag my wall heater outside and blow it off with compressed air.
     
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  3. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The bio gas pond we have at my work runs as close to atmospheric pressure as possible.
     
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  4. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I got an old rusty propane tank.
    I got it filled and had it sitting outside and it developed a pin hole leak in the bottom of the cylinder.

    So I have a new procedure for old bottles that appear to be rusty.

    From now on I'm going to run over the bottom of the tank with my needle descaler, pull a vaccum see if they will hold a vacuum over night then leak check them with 120 psi of air.
     
  5. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The count now after being down a 100lb cylinder is two 20lb, two 30lb, three 40lb and two 100lb.
    Propane users are 2 of those radiant camping heaters and a 30,000btu wall heater.
     
  6. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I picked up a 250 gallon tank from the local agg auction for $100.
    There was a 500 gallon one there but it looked kind of funny then upon closer inspection it turned out to be an anhydrous ammonia tank.
    The difference, a propane has a working pressure of 250psi, an anhydrous tank, only 200psi.
    I'm pretty sure that the propane guy isn't going to fill an anhydrous ammonia tank.
     
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  7. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Tank Specs , Not LPG pressures !
    JFI
     
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  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    It was supposed to say "a propane tank has a working pressure of 250psi".
     
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  9. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Oh my new tank was made in 1973, think I will have any problems filling it?
     
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  10. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Ok all my 250 gallon tank needs is a new multi valve. They're about $100.
    The last ape that had it broke off the gas valve.

    I was at the agg auction again and got two 100lb tanks for $100 and as I suspected one was bad, a pin hole leak like the last one.
    I'm averaging around $110 to $120 per useable 100lb tank.
    I'm just not going to buy them unless the bottom has little to no rust or unless the tank or tanks have liquid in them.
    Between the tanks not having valve covers, needing a valve, 2 out of 5 being bad I might as well pay about $150 and get a brand new tank.
     
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  11. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    where are you finding pin holes ? @oil pan 4
    That will tell you the problem
    Sloth
     
  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The bottoms of the tanks are rusted.
     
  13. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    from below ? or ??
     
  14. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The one with a pinhole leak on the bottom I cut open was rusting from the inside and outside.
     
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  15. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    For safety I have filled the tank in question with water ,then using air pressure on top of that.
    You really do not want to use air pressure alone as it can be a bomb . because water cannot be compressed ;if there is a failure it is not catastrophic .
    Having an air compressor shop we had customers attempting to make there own units and some time it doesn't work out so well.
     
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  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    That is the safe way, for sure. But I gotta ask, how do you get the water back out?
     
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  17. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    You heat the tank by putting in a container of HOT Water for a few hours and any Moisture will evaporate and leave the tank thru the threaded opening, where the Valve is to be installed...
     
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  18. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Ah. So the hydro is not on the valve tank connection, just the vessel walls.
     
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  19. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Hydros are always just for the Tank, itself... Since the Valves can always be replaced....
     
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  20. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Rust is the problem you just added , now how to remove all ho2 ?? tell me how you d that ??
    BAD ,, DON'T DO .!!!!!

    Hydros are always just for the Tank, itself... Since the Valves can always be replaced....correct , Water is NOT used for a internal fill and clean ,, but hydros are not MT on checks .
    2 checks on one test and cleans ..

    Sloth
     
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