Bye Honey Bees (and 1/3 of all crops)

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Devildog3531, Mar 2, 2007.


  1. Devildog3531

    Devildog3531 Monkey+++

    Sorry for my activity, been working out three times a day getting ready to put my boots on the ground in exactly a month from today. I've mostly been hopping on the computer to read at random times.

    I was looking on the other forum I commonly visit and read this in a religious debate section. Apparently honey bees are now severely endangered and almost 1/3 of the world's crops that they pollinate along with them. What I find funny is I can't think of too many other places honey bees are found other than the Americas and I think Europe (Correct me if I'm wrong) so we'll be the ones getting hit the hardest. Apples are among those on top of crops threatened from what I hear and this article also mentions that.

    Here's the link to one website:

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wildtv/endangered.html

    And something a bit more credible:

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1005_041005_honeybees.html

    What I find funny is that I believe this is result of the Government releasing a strain of wasps that they were so proud of back in 2004 or 2005. These wasps were supposed to combat killer bees, as they were not only tougher (like 1 of these wasps took out around 10-20 bees before dying, they had the fights slowed down on the Discovery channel) but they also carried some disease or something. Didn't hear about it too much after that. Anyway this could very well be the result; main lesson being don't **** with nature. Not to mention for the self sufficient, it would be wise to find out if your crop is in danger...
     
  2. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I've been watching this as well. I've heard Bees called the Canary in the Mine. Molds and other non-native species are really hurting the hives.

    A much bigger problem than some realize
     
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I read it was a Virus in the lungs that was killing them
     
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Molds spores and fungus??? nah, its the changing magnetic fields(poles shifting), they get lost on their wayback to the hive and die of embarassment?? Think there's a grant in there somewhere???foosed:oops::oops:
     
  5. ripsnort

    ripsnort Monkey+++

    "for the self sufficient, it would be wise to find out if your crop is in danger..."

    Your crop is not in danger unless you have a very large acreage of monoculture fruit or nuts. Grains are all wind pollinated. There are numerous other species of wild pollinating insects.
     
  6. Devildog3531

    Devildog3531 Monkey+++

    Thanks for clearing that up, besides apples I was not sure what was in danger.
     
  7. ripsnort

    ripsnort Monkey+++

    Actually, there are a some other crops like alfalfa, clover and buckwheat I missed that also rely on honey bee pollination when planted in large acreages. I probably missed some. Honey bees are not native to the Americas, the European settlers brought them over.
     
  8. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    A few years ago; Our local honey bees were attacked by a smaller, "mite"-type bug that attached itself to, and consequently, killed them.

    Honey is still readily available in our area. I see no sign of shortage in the raw or processed honeys available.

    If you Google, you can see many instances of honey bee problems, here and abroad.
     
  9. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    As long as there's enough honey to make mead, we're fine [booze] .

    ~Falcon
     
  10. phishi

    phishi Psy-Ops Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Part of the problem also comes from a lack of bee keepers. With a decline in numbers, there are not enough individuals to help keep healthy man-maintained hives going. As a result, there is a level of slack that must be taken up by wild hives and/or the remaining man-maintained.

    After reading "Alas, Babylon", I felt as the author did, that bees would be a valuable resource in a post collapse society. They are a source of honey (food & medicine) as well as wax (candles, etc.). Their value as trade goods would be huge, and the starting cost is fairly low (under $200.00) for what amounts to be a renewable resource. Check your local fair this summer to see what a bee keeper does and how to get started.

    phishi
     
  11. jim

    jim Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Here at work, we have trees blooming that are usually covered with bees. Not a single bee this week from what I could see.

    jim
     
  12. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

  13. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Another PERK to the beea for supplying trade goods post SHTF, not to many folks will have ANY intrest in trying to steal the goods. lol Lets face it, if they dont have a bee suit most folks want NOTHING to do with shoveing an arm into a bee hive and if they do most would quickly change their minds.
     
  14. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    I read somewhere that the French during WW2 would hide valuables inside beehives. Pretty smart really.
     
  15. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Moderator Moderator Founding Member

    Just caught a quick blurb on FoxNews about the declining bee population. Some "scientists" are saying that the decline is due to stress. I didn't know it but supposedly bee keepers will load up the hives on semi's transport the hive to a field that needs to be pollinated, let the hives sit a while, them load 'em up again and repeat.

    Now, I thought bees had a way to return to hive, so if you keep moving the hive, that would cause problems wouldn't it??
     
  16. ripsnort

    ripsnort Monkey+++

    Hives are generally only moved at night or in the evening when its cooled down - then almost all the bees are in the hive. I don't know if beekeepers will keep them closed up on the truck during a multiday move, but not a good idea in hot weather. Bees have never had any problem reorienting themselves to new areas after being moved, so they can return to the hive. Bees generally fly in a two mile radius around the home hive.
     
  17. DesertDawg

    DesertDawg Monkey+++

    Someone passed the "rumor" that cell phones were causing the demise of bees! I highly doubt that, but.....!

    I caught the last part of a blurb about bees on the Art Bell "Coast to Coast" radio show. Something about an over-abundance of honey bees in Canada! Bell speculated that the bees had migrated North, due to the weather changes.

    As far as I know, there are NO commercial bee keepers in my neck of the woods....Torrance, California. Our backyard continues to be buzzed by the little darlings, for they just LOVE the flower plants that my wife has in her garden! I get "buzzed" quite often when I take a dip in our backyard spa....probably because I'm so....SWEET?

    I haven't noticed ANY shortage of bees here, in this suburban area. Heck, we also have skunks, possum, squirrels, racoons, and....I've even seen a couple of stray coyotes on the prowl at night! It's CITY where I live....not rural!

    Bees be's EVERYWHERE! If they're gone in your neck of the woods, maybe they're just on vacation! They BEE back later.....hopefully!
     
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