Civil War 2

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Gator 45/70, Jun 24, 2019.


  1. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    This guy talks about the power grid among other things,Number of Americans willing to do this as well as percentages,Pretty interesting and a little long..But worth the time spent.
    If this in the wrong section,Then by all means,Please move it !!!


     
  2. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    Interesting theory
     
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  3. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Among US Citizens - Nobody wins since everybody loses.
    Elsewhere:
    Soros wins (he paid to make it happen) and makes a gazillion Yuan destabilizing the USD.
    Russia, China, Radical Islam win
    Europeans win until Russia takes undefended areas and the "refugees" mobilize now that the US has no presence.
    WW3 happens as the vacuum of power left by the US needs to be filled.
     
  4. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    The above mentioned would be on a high priority list of take him out by any means necessary.
     
  5. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Obvious that both sides want a Soros end to this country since he has not been arrested or taken out and within the 2 years after Trump and control of congress nothing happened with the Republican traitors to stop him. The house even passed the reciprocity bill and those POS's in the senate will not finish putting it into law.
     
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  6. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I like peeling bananas and (occasionally) people.

    I noticed a few things while watching the video. On the whole, it seems credible, but there are some areas where a certain naivete stsnds out.

    First, for the sake of discussion, one must understand the diverse nature of the political left and right.

    As individuals, the right is mostly composed of self-starters/self-leaders. Their ethic is the work ethic: if you don't plant the corn, you won't be able to eat it. If you don't work, you won't get paid.

    The left is mostly composed of two groups: the "followers", who have drunk the Entitlement Kool-Aid, and expect something for nothing because they are ...well..them, and that makes them special. The "leaders" are a different group entirely. They are sociopathic monsters, without exception. Other people exist only to satisfy their desires.

    So, on to the naivete:

    The video states that "10,000" would starve in the first year of a civil war. That's just ridiculous. It would be at least 10,000,000--and probably many more.

    When the grid goes down (as it will, without a doubt) it will be One Second After time for everyone. Three days later, this entire country will be one giant food riot.

    The grid will go down because both sides will use it as a weapon against the other side. Neither side will be able to escape the consequences.

    The video presumes that the US Government will not nuke the United States. Actually, they will, if there is even the slightest advantage in doing so. The leaders of the left would cheerfully kill every man, woman, and child in the United States--excepting only themselves--if it was necessary to remain in power.

    The video says, several times, "as soon as..", or "the instant that.." acertain thing haappens, the left will have lost the next Civil War.

    Poppycock.

    The leaders of the left will not abdicate. They will not surrender. They will murder wholesale, without the slightest concern for consequences or international opinion, until they win. Then they will merely lie about what actually happened.

    The next Civil War in the United States will end "as soon as" the last hard-core leftist is dead or en route to a foreign country.

    Or when every right-winger is dead or in chains.

    As far as military deserters go, the video overlooked a major contingency: rebel soldiers will not simply desert to the right-wing army. They'll frag their leftist officers first, en masse. Then they'll hold their military bases as rebel assets, or deliver their equipment and supplies to the rebels--and burn whatever can't be delivered.

    The left will probably not start off with using nuclear weapons. That's a last resort--not because it would kill millions of innocent civilians, but because it would destroy too much productive property.

    They use any of the twenty or so bioweapons that have already been perfected for use in the case of open rebellion. The least of these is a superflu that will put every man, woman, and child it hits flat on their backs for ten days. Of course, many of the old, weak, and very young will die in that event, but won't matter to the leaders of the left.

    That will be coming from a contrail near you.

    Six months won't do it, folks. You need to prep up for at least a year of very, very , Bad Times.
     
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  7. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    Can't have a civil war 2 when we never had a civil war 1. The war often often referred to as the "Civil War" was named that by the winners of that war as part of the justification OF that war. The war was for southern independence....a revolutionary war like that of 1776....not a 'civil' war in which two sides fight for control of the same govt.
     
  8. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    Correct. I get really tired of how badly the US educational system has failed us. History has never been taught correctly, nor civics or economics for decades if not longer. That said, civil war in this country will not be pleasant, more than likely it will not be short though I would surmise that if the grid is down the die off will be brutal and that by itself will shorten things up to the point of which war lord will get things under control and will he/she be all about freedom or just another politician interested in their own power? If freedom is restored we may have tribulations for a year or so, if it becomes a power squabble - who knows
     
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  9. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey

    I don't see how it doesn't happen.
    Maybe the President can finally consolidate power assuming he wins the next election if the left & deep state can be defeated one more time. But I don't see the left relinquishing any power soon.
    So I think it will be necessary, just and horrible. There is no reset without it.

    This hasn't truly been about left & right for years, they're the same greedy, power hungry garbage in different suits.

    This is good versus evil, nothing less.
     
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  10. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @UncleMorgan "The leaders of the left will not abdicate. They will not surrender. They will murder wholesale, without the slightest concern for consequences or international opinion, until they win. Then they will merely lie about what actually happened.
    The next Civil War in the United States will end "as soon as" the last hard-core leftist is dead or en route to a foreign country.
    Or when every right-winger is dead or in chains."

    Yes! Yes! A thousand times, yes! People don't get it. Look at every other Civil War that has ever occurred and you will see what the human animal is capable of doing. Perhaps the reason we don't get is as @TnAndy pointed out, "The war often referred to as the "Civil War" was named that by the winners of that war as part of the justification OF that war." It was not a Civil War by any stretch of the imagination. It simply wasn't! So, even though the South suffered horribly, by what I consider to be illegal war crimes (BTW, I am a Yankee) it would have been much, much worse in a true Civil War. Hell, even the Revolution War was fought in a polite manner. Just think of the horrendous crimes that would be committed immediately: assassination, murder, thief... Now, think of the response, the retaliation... One could relate this to combat on the Eastern Front in WW2 or in the Pacific for there will be very little humanity from either side.

    The video is good in its own way; however, I too think that the figure of 10,000 starving is waaaaaaay too low. I also think that because the Right has more guns is not even relative since guns are so easy to obtain. Hell, the government will probably assist in arming and training Left Groups! Why not? Seems a logical approach which has been used many times in the past, think Vietnam. In Vietnam they train and armed entire villages. In Iraq, we gave them millions of weapons...which I think went missing? So, I don't agree with this guy's assessment concerning this.

    I haven't watch all the of video but I also wonder what the other countries responses will be when the country is a ball of chaos. I don't believe any country would be foolish enough to send armed troops since both sides would consider them invaders but they certainly would do their best to increase the level of destabilization and chaos. Outside influence hasn't really been looked at but it should be considered.

    The key to the outcome of any Civil War is what the country's military will do...
    EDIT: And, the BIG question, will the Right act and act with purpose - meaning - put it all on the line because any other manner would lead to disaster.
     
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  11. Borrego

    Borrego Monkey

    Quite right TnAndy........growing up in Virginia in the 1960s, the 'Civil War' was not referred to as that, but either
    a) The Second War for Independence, or
    b) The War of Northern Aggression

    Funny how history no longer teaches this......
     
  12. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    The South will rise again - I just hope it's pretty damn soon. And I'm a Yankee
     
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  13. TXKajun

    TXKajun Monkey+++

    • It looks like we're going down the same road that Cuba, China, Russia, Venezuela and all the rest of the countries that have ended up as socialist/communist traveled. It was a gradual takeover by the socialists, a little at a time until they were strong enough to go full offense and win a revolution. China had Mao who united the communists and then led a revolution that the communists won. Cuba had Castro who united the common folks and then had a revolution that the communists won. Viet Nam had Ho Chi Minh who united the folks and led a revolution that the communists won. Venezuela just flat out elected their communists and then the military enforced the elections....and the communists won. I can't think of a single nation that the communists made a concerted effort to take over that hasn't succeeded. As much as I hate to think it, I see the U.S.A heading for communism one way or another. Another 10 years? Maybe less. [​IMG]
     
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  14. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    I expect our Western mentality will cause us to degenerate into a series of violent RIGHT/LEFT swings like Mexico had in its first 100 years of existence. These will probably be regional instead of national as transportation and news propagation collapses.

    Horrific losses from getting involved in this mess regardless of invitation (and some unaccounted for nukes) will probably leave the foreign factions supporting more remotely than physically. I'm sure the will be a variety of attempts at Green Zone like bases in the Mogadishu-like coastal ports on the east and west coast. I expect the gulf coast to be a no man's land. Maybe a few city-states full of malaria, fierce individualism, yellow fever, piracy, trade to and from from the Midwest, and smuggling. So, back to the historical norms from Tampa Bay to Galveston.

    With the left in the cities, the right may have primitive enclaves similar to the Taliban enclaves. Right wing ops in the cities might be similar to the foreign AL-Q operating in the Iraqi population.

    Just my guess 5-10 years down the path.

    Sounds like I started writing a book.....
     
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  15. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow



    A watch !
     
  16. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    Sent to me by a friend....



    A very concerning read about our two party system. What has it evolved into, a Civil War?




    This is very good reading and very timely. I recommend it to all.



    Our Current Civil War



    Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928- died 8 April 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein.



    (Editor's note)This was the last of his works:



    Civil War: How do civil wars happen?


    Dr. Jack Devere Minzey

    Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.



    That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.



    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this.



    The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win The Supreme Court gave him the election There's a pattern here.



    What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win.



    It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war.



    There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.



    This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country.



    But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.



    Your very own dictatorship.

    The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own . Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress.



    They lost the White House. So, what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.



    Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.



    Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.



    If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything .



    He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. He can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him. He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda and watch while one of America's Ambassador's is dragged through the streets and murdered doing nothing to aid our citizens. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.



    But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything . He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.



    A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy.



    A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.



    When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law.





    But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission.

    But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries. The Constitution has something to say about that.



    Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.



    Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding : Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.



    Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them; they investigate them, and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.



    That's not a free country.



    It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election.



    It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition.



    It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media.



    It's not a free country when all the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.



    Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
     
  17. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    (NOTE - I've removed all links - you can use the topic as a search string for yourself if curious)

    I don't see a "Civil War" per se - that is to say an armed conflict between well defined groups. Please note my use of the word "Armed". It may not matter....

    To be a bit more precise - James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as:
    "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".

    Let me parse this definition :

    a violent conflict within a country.
    The US has been facing what is IMO, a "low order" type of ongoing warfare in major cities for decades. I've noted this in many threads over the last couple of years.

    A slow motion riot might come close to describe the issue set, but things can shift from 'slow-motion' to burning buildings is less than a few hours. This is nothing new, it has been, to some degree, seen in the US since 1948 or even 1943, depending on how you wish to frame the situation.
    What is different now is both the breadth of the 'conflict' and the sheer number of 'players' in the conflict.
    Gang-bangers anyone? They may be the least of your worries.

    fought by organized groups -
    you can't tell the players without a program.
    List of criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates - see Wikipedia
    List of gangs in the United States - see Wikipedia - nothing new here, just a lot more, and more splinter groups to make up the mass.
    Oh, just in case
    Militia organizations in the United States - see Wikipedia fringe lunatic or not, they exist.

    and of course
    List of designated terrorist groups - yup, Wikipedia again

    feeling lonely? Don't be, there is more to come.

    that aim to take power at the center or in a region,
    List of active separatist movements in North America - Wikipedia
    yup, already here and active for decades

    or to change government policies.
    The Voter's Self Defense System
    yup, also been here for decades - and nothing new. Folks call 'em "Special Interest groups" but they aim to change the Government - no matter if you agree or like/or not.-


    So when people talk about the "next Civil War" I ask, what about the one we are in right now?

    Maybe it is because I write 'disaster fiction' that I see things differently, can't say. But what I do see is the accelerating of the forces driving the shredding of a once peaceful Nation/society.

    I do fear for my children and grandchildren..... All I can really do - is pray.
     
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  18. Illini Warrior

    Illini Warrior Illini Warrior

    any kind of conflict that started as Left vs Conservatives would turn a corner VERY shortly and go racial >>> the dumbazz Pink Hats would find themselves being shot in the back by their BLM buddies - already been conflicts at some of the protests >>> the blacks have a HUGE problem with the black hood ANTIFAs ....
     
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  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Now, if you, as many do, expand "racial" to encompass anti anything that doesn't suit "your" particular definition of what just ain't right, the fuse is even shorter. The one that sorta keeps the fuse ready but not lit, is that these splinter groups that ALL feel as tho' they should be getting a bigger piece of my pie, will never agree long enough to ally themselves and actually become a force to be reckoned with.

    Races, rainbows and religions. Hoo, boy!! If they ever combine all we can do is keep the powder dry.
     
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