cold survival

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by vegasrandall, Jan 16, 2009.


  1. vegasrandall

    vegasrandall Monkey+++

    how many of you could go outside with your BOB in the cold weather we are having and live through the night? do you have what it takes to survive this subzero weather?
     
  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    No!

    I've been I've very interested in this exact thought all week. and am currently typing
    "knee deep" in knives. tarps , compasses, multiple sleeping bags, food and water and.several open back packs

    I've almost come to the realization one standard backpack is suicide. but snow campers make use of snowshoes and deep plastic sleds or toboggans to haul excess cold weathergear.
    I am not sufficiently equipped in "expedition "coldweather outer clothes or bags to live in -20 to -30 conditions. for days.
    damn good thread( for a lasvegas ZOMBIE)!We are supposed to climb above zeroid tomorrow for the first time in days.above zero is uncomfortable, but doesn't require any extreme gear (no problem)..
    a snowcave would help. but these brutal conditions are beyond my experience and capacity..
    one night in a snow cave perhaps, but 72hoursof -18 or-20, would be a fatal test of endurance.

    "Sir we're from FEMA please get in the truck for transport to your relocation camp..."
    "what's the temp out here ?
    " -18,-30 with the windchill
    "okay h-h-hold my rifle.. are we there yet?"

    food for thought.
     
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Good thread, and no I could not make it more than one night in this weather, and would have to keep moving to go that long. There are a couple acquisitions in the near term. I am not prepared to bug out, and preps thru now have been for bugin. I don't have a backup for cold weather if forced out on foot.
     
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    One thing I do have along is a small zipper pull thermometer( whistle/ compass/ decoder ring). good information ( how cold is cold?)
     
  5. tommy20/69

    tommy20/69 Monkey++

    i've come to the conclusion that it's impossible to tote everything i will need so i will be just sticking it out on my property and standing my ground.i feel it's better to stay where you know the land then to bug out to a place where your a stranger in a strange land. so i figure i'll just keep stocking up on stuff and hope for the best over here there will be no bugging out for me .
     
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Have to agree, figured out long ago bugging out to nowhere in particular is a bad idea.If you are packing a bag to get home from work that's one thing but to just head out in severe conditions is a non-starter. From the "bison survivalblog"
    :http://bisonsurvivalblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/bob-firearm.html

    B firearm

    BOB FIREARM
    Visions of the firearm to bug out with were probably formed years ago when you viewed a now defunct slick paper mass circulation magazine. A manly man graced the cover, cleft chin jutting out, muscles rippling, tanned skin gleaming, a full head of hair perfectly groomed, clutching a full size battle rifle with ease, the end of civilization a mere adventure to him. In reality, a stooped sweaty fat guy with no hair, laboring for breath as he stumbles along wishing he had another pack of Camels drags a shotgun by the barrel with its stock trailing in the dirt, the backpack filled with all the tools necessary to sustain civilization now long abandoned for its weight, cursing the very Gods that rained this hell down on him.
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  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Yep. Now all you need is a shed out back to put emergency stuff in for when the house burns.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    [coffee2]
     
  8. Being in the pacific NW I’ve never been in sub zero, but I can survive quite comfortably in 10 degrees f, I’ve never been in anything any colder.

    I was going to make a thread about this but I might as well piggy back it here.

    How do gun powers, primers, lubricants do in –50f conditions?

    And also are Mickey Mouse boots as warm as they’re touted to be,
    I’ve read they work down to –60f?
     
  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I have never had a problem with my guns in sub-zero temps while hunting, but I have never gone in -30 or below weather. But, the thing you should know, is that lower in temp = dryer, unless it starts raining....but can that happen? Snow can fall and be "dry". Just remember... Cold + wet = Bad. The primers and powder are not liquid, and are not effected like a liquid in cold temps, so if they remain dry, there will be little-to-no problem.

    And I have no idea about the Mickey Mouse boots. I only trust what I have tested myself, and do not rely on arm-chair survivalist tips.
     
  10. tommy20/69

    tommy20/69 Monkey++

    well accually your half right !! right now yes the stuff is stored in the house but i plan on making a 3/8 plated box then building a cement cender block wall around it to store my stuff in . the shed will be about 10'x10' there would be a strong lock box inside and then the walls will be cemented cender blocks with pipes running up through them to rienforce them . then i'm gonna run pipe across the top to make the top of the roof crush proof . i have the pipes and some of the blocks i just need a few more i figure about one more year and it will be done. the only electricity in the shed will be from a generator or 12 volts or a plus in for a house hook up when i ned to get into it at night. other than that there isn't gonna be any juice going to it so there shouldn't be any chance of a wire shorting out and catching fire. so for now i just gotta hope my house don't burn down.lol:oops:


     
  11. Akheloce

    Akheloce Monkey++

    Well, here is a good chance to throw in my .02. mickey mouse boots or "bunny boots" as they are more commonly known up here are bar none the warmest youre gonna get. if youre going to do a lot of walking in them, wrap your shins in duct tape where the tongue folds... trust me.
    As far as guns and ammo, i've never had issues down to -45 or so. however, for storage, i reccomend a lot of grease on exposed metal. i left my cabin for a few weeks and my rock chucker reloading press was ruined ( condensation). now i lather the exposed part in generic grease and cover it with a towel.
     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Yep. (On the shim rubbing, too.) Had a pair of those issued when we were at the south pole. They are warm, and (for me, anyway) not walkers. Plan on sweating up your feet, and don't take them off until you can dry your toes and the boots themselves, no matter how cold it gets. I used them at minus 35 with no problems. Fuggeddahboud wearing them when driving your car, your feet won't fit in the foot wells.

    For standing around at 0 deg, they are a bit more than you need.
     
  13. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++ Site Supporter

    With my BOB winter setup I could, My sleeping bag and Bivy cover take up half the weight of my Alice medium and by no means would I be able to do this in comfort. It would take some sort of insulated shelter to be able to do this on a continuous basis.
     
  14. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    I've seen two sets of "mickey" boots. One has an air valve and one does not. I would assume that the one with the air valve is the better model? Is this the case?
     
  15. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    I would hate to leave all of the hand tools and other stuff that would come in handy. We could get by without it but it would sure be nice to have it. Not only that, I have not come up with a good way to put the fruit trees in the BOB. [dunno] :D [beer]

    OGM
     
  16. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++ Site Supporter


    Actually, no. The Mickey Mouse boots with the air valve is issued to Airborne troops. The valve being opened at high altitudes. I have both types, they both keep your feet warm and dry.

    One word of advice though, buy them in the largest size which is like 12 1/2. You could then buy civi type felt boot liners to even increase there warmth factor.
     
  17. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Ah ha. I thought it had to do with a pocket of air that helped insulate. Cool thanks for the info.
     
  18. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    bug out to no where(knowwhere?)=instant"refugee".
     
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Yes, so 'tis said. If flying, OPEN the air valve. Make double sure it is CLOSED if walking in anything that could get into the felt liner, it won't dry out readily.
     
  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The Mickey's don't get issued to all Airborne troops, I have never seen a pair nor been in any super cold arctic environment. They would rock for Alaska. Hey, does anybody know much about Muklucks? Is that what they are called?
     
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