Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Quigley_Sharps, Oct 26, 2012.
The case looks too unsupported in that design.
Thanks for the safety check.
Ive been a Glock man for 10 yrs now and never seen pics like this.
Yea me either, I read this and thought I would pass it along. Looks like a really bad day in the making.
If the ammo was factory, Glock will replace the gun. If it was a reload, they MIGHT offer a discount on a new gun. This sort of thing is pretty common. I have personally seen four Glocks blow up at my club and missed being there for that many more. I was ROing for one guy when his Glock went go so I was "up close and personal" with it. The Glock ramp is unsupported which is why the .40, when fired in a Glock has a "Glock hump (or bulge)" (a generic term now meaning any bulge in a .40 S&W head) and all the companies offer dies to remove it. HOWEVER...once bulged, the case is damaged and if that part comes up again, it WILL blow. One loser on another site got quite irate when I said that, but when I told him to simply mark his cases so the bulge is at that spot again and shoot the case again and let us know what happens, he suddenly shut up.
The same thing in a 1911 doesn't harm the gun at all. You might need to change mags if the mag is damaged (mine wasn't) and there was no damage to the gun.
I would think that such a case malformation, upon firing, would be due to one of two things.
1. Over Pressure due to some +P type loadings.
2. Case not completely supported in the chamber, while the projectile is still in the barrel. (ie Extraction starting, prior to Projectile leaving the muzzle, that allowed the case to experience and Overpressure for the wall thickness, once it was not supported by the chamber.
Both are serious issues, but the second would seem to be a Design Flaw in the Extraction Mechanism, or Extraction Timing.
If this is common in a specific Round Loading, or specific Calibre/Barrel design, then somebody hasn't engineered that, quite right, from the getgo. My Opinion..... YMMV.....
I think you hit the nail on the head; I wonder if it was smithed or if that is the factory barrel.
Just checked my XDm - the above picture does look seated (maybe a wee bit raised?). I'm just glad my pistol doesn't expose that much brass.
my hands are stinging just looking at those Ka-Boom pics.
That's why I've always said "you have to be a real badazz to carry a Glock". Those things are like freakin grenades - but I like to dance with the devil
Dancing with the devil is fine, but from my viewpoint, if you own a gun which cannot handle reloads safely for a known flaw in design, come post SHTF it is a serious liability. I am prepared to reload for quite awhile post SHTF, and I understand that non glock reloads are or should be safe in glocks, but I don't want to have to isolate and mark cases for non glock use only. To me it just seems a good reason to chose another non glock sidearm. .... jus sayin'
I'm not a polymer type. big chuck of steel to offset recoil and doubles as a club/hammer if all the ammo is gone.
No matter what happened, the unsupported chamber didn't help matters. However, as it is a known issue and easily fixed with using recommended ammunition.
OTOH, where I cannot agree is with Glock is their no reload statements. Unless there is a proprietary powder (etc) used; any reloader ought to be able to duplicate a factory loaded round safety. However, as the angle of the grip to the axis of the bore is off for me, I won't be buying one to prove it.
You just made up my mind for me. No Glocks. If ammo is a problem to get, or if reloads are a problem, them a gun just becomes a paper weight. I have a hundred year old SXS 12ga. Sterlingworth. Well made guns are tools you can count on, every day, every hour. and then pass on to a loved one.
Maybe I read the reports wrong, but what I understood was; due to the glock design, cases are bulged/damaged/weakened routinely. If these cases are not disposed of and are reloaded, they provide a significant chance of case failure causing what you saw in the pictures. Rangemasters at some ranges are quite aware of this problem, having seen multiple failures. Yes the solution is to not shoot reloads (can you ever be sure there are no previous glock fired brass in the mix of empties) (some could possibly not be once fired brass, but reloads fired the second time in a non glock firearm) (thus you would have reloads thought to be safe in anything that would be potential grenades in a glock). As others I will stay away from plastic firearms. jmho
Lots of Glock hate here. I guess 1911's never fail... Watch what you reload- in ANY firearm.
Not a glock/polymer hater. I just prefer a steel or alloy frame. Kabooms can happen in any weapon system.
Glock hater? I said "Well made guns are tools you can count on, every day, every hour. and then pass on to a loved one." I don't find the word hate in there anywhere. The product has simply shown it has a serious limitation. No reloads. Ammo could become scarce, and reloads may be the only choice. I don't have the gear to reload, and I have never done it, so I would be at the mercy of whoever did the reloads, and how would I know if they took this flaw into their calculations? I'm working hard to keep food on the table right now, So any money I spend better be spent on something I can rely on %100, not most of the time. Therefore....no Glocks.
best bang for the buck right now is an all steel/alloy framed commbloc pistol in 9mm Makarov. Can be had for around 200.00 and 1k rounds for about the same again.
Thats what I liked about the Steyr M9-A1.A fully supported chambering,and molded under the polymer is a"steel"frame.
It also ate reloads as well as +P,and +P+.
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