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Egg and a Match.

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by b166erg4me, Aug 15, 2007.

  1. b166erg4me

    b166erg4me Monkey+++

    There is a survival camp in Montana which provides you with an egg and a match for food each day. Is there a way I can cook the egg, so I don't have to eat it raw? I don't know if there is a way to hardboil it without water. I'm not given any pans or anything I can cook it in. This means I have to use what's around me.

    There is also a possibility that I might get a small cup of milk, but I don't want to rely on this rumur.

    Your post might save me from a week full of the runs, so your reply is criticle. lol
  2. sheen_estevez

    sheen_estevez Monkey+++

    I would think you would want to put a small hole in the top of the egg then put it in the heat, this way it won't explode on you as the insides start to cook and expand
  3. b166erg4me

    b166erg4me Monkey+++

    That is a really good point. I will try that atleast one of the days, maybe all depending on how many other ideas I get.
  4. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    If you've got enough solar energy going, I'd probably build a sand oven and save the match.
  5. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

  6. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Yea, raw eggs present the risk of salmonella and the trots while out in the woods, especially while hungry, ain't fun. I think a baked egg is just fine, especially just don't forget to put a hole in it. If you can find a shallow depression in a rock, you can improvise a boiling pot for poaching by heating stones in a fire and dropping them into the water held by the depression. You can possibly grind a simple flour from cat-tails and bind it with the egg for steaming inside a roll of leaves from the cat-tail.
  7. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I'm waiting for something outside the box to hit me.
    Egg used as bait for something larger?
  8. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    I was exploring that direction myself, but so far unable to come up with anything. Egg might catch some bugs, but your better off just eating the egg. Too runny(raw) and too crumbly (boiled) to use as fish bait.

    b166erg4me, can you tell us more about the camp? Sounds interesting.
  9. annie

    annie Monkey+++

    Isn't there an old adage about the FOX guarding the hen house ? Oh, so wrong, fox wants chicken-- not the egg. sorry, but there are other animals that like the egg, so yes it's bait, assuming you would consider eating the critter. annie
  10. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    You might be able to catch an egg sucking dog then you could make a great vietnemese dish.

  11. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    But it's bound to be a dirty old egg sucking dog :D
  12. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Now that's just wrong!!!! ;)
  13. sheen_estevez

    sheen_estevez Monkey+++

    not if your into [SIZE=-1]Vietnemese dishes

  14. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    Usually salmonella bacteria are transfered via uncooked meats (?). A lot of people eat raw eggs all the time (weightlifters, people making smoothies, etc). That said, I prefer eating them cooked (except for merangue pie).

    BTW, cooking usually denegrates the nutritional value, but not sure by how much in an egg.
  15. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    you leave a lot of unanswered questions...


    Is this sole survival?

    How long is the camp?

    Do you get your egg first thing in the morning, so you have the luxury of an all-day cook?

    Is there a group get-together in the evening? Is there a provided campfire with which you might cook your egg (that you've saved from earlier in the day while everyone else was wasting energy trying to cook it)?

    Is it mandated that you cannot pair up with someone (for, say, an omelet? ;) )

    Have you studied local vegetation to see what else there might be to eat in the area? Did your friend give you any other edible clues?

    Is Montana littered with beer cans from the last campers/rafters that you might use as an improvised stove?

    It seems to me that for it to be a true survival camp, that those who've gone before wouldn't be able to give away the answers to future campers. That, perhaps, each new group of campers might have to face a new challenge. I'd be prepared for that, if it were me. I'd also be prepared to eat a raw egg (work up to it... eat some cookie dough this week ;) ) as to preserve as many nutrients as possible.
  16. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Re: you leave a lot of unanswered questions...

    hehe....The Pilsbury school of survival, may favorite (I love cookie dough)
  17. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Raw eggs for health[/SIZE][/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]I highly recommend consuming raw eggs as a way of making sure you get high quality protein and fats into your diet. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Why would anyone eat the eggs in a raw form? Heating the egg protein actually changes its chemical shape, and it is this change in the protein structure which can easily be a cause of allergies. The heating also destroys many of the nutrients and proteins found inside the egg. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]What usually pops in people's minds when you talk about raw eggs are the risks of being infected with salmonella.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]There is no doubt that salmonella is a serious infection. Its symptoms include diarrhea, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, feve, chills. The symptoms of salmonella food poisoning can strike anyone, but they're more likely to hit 3 groups: the elderly; children; and people with HIV, cancer, or other diseases which impair the immune system. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Salmonella is usually a self-limiting illness in healthy people[/SIZE][/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]However the truth is that salmonella is generally a benign self-limiting illness in healthy people. The key principle to keep in mind here is that if you are healthy a salmonella infection is not a big deal. You may feel sick and have loose stools for a day or 2, but this infection is easily treated by using high-quality probiotics which contain friendly bacteria. Take some probiotics every 30 minutes until you start to feel better, and in most cases your condition will improve within a few hours.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]The risk of salmonella infection is usually only present in traditionally raised commercial hens. If one purchases ones eggs from healthy chickens, the risk of infection is dramatically reduced. It's important to note that only sick chickens lay salmonella-contaminated eggs. If you purchase high quality, cage-free, organically fed, chicken eggs, the risks are dramatically reduced.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]If one looks at studies which have been done to analyse the risks of contracting salmonella from raw eggs, it is surprising to find out how low this risk actually is. A study by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 2002 (Risk Analysis April 2002 22(2):203-18) indicates that only 2.3 million, out of the 69 billion eggs produced annually, are contaminated with salmonella. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]So this really means that only 0.003 % of eggs are infected. Viewed another way, only 1 in every 30,000 eggs is contaminated with salmonella, which shows how uncommon this problem actually is. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Based on those numbers, the average person would come across a contaminated egg only once in 42 years. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]What about the biotin-deficiency risks from eating too many raw egg whites?[/SIZE][/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Egg whites contain a glycoprotein called "avidin" which binds biotin - one of the B vitamins - very effectively. The cooking process deactivates the avidin in the egg, much the same way it deactivates every other protein in the egg white. [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]While it is true that eating too many raw egg whites by themselves will cause you to suffer from a biotin deficiency, the fact is that nature created the egg in such a way that its yolk is very rich in biotin. One of the highest concentration in nature. Eat the egg whole together with the egg white and you will be fine.[/SIZE][/FONT]
  18. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Re: you leave a lot of unanswered questions...

    Nobody said that being prepared had to be painful :D

    Good eggformation. Thanks, Sea!
  19. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    You get several options with that egg. You could use it as bait, raccoons LOVE eggs and are high in fat whigh in a survival diet is escential. Learn some simple deadfalls and snares like those in John and Geri Mcphearsons book Naked Into the Wilderness and use the eg to bait several of them. The traps can be easily made from whats offered by nature and are a real snap if you have a bit of fish line or string and a knife can be helpful but could be made from a knapped piece of stone, broken glas or torn soda can.

    Now there should also be other things you could use as bait or even the shell with the remnents for scent and still et te egg. As far as cooking it you can use several options. Heres a few of the options;

    Poke a small hole in each end and put a small stick through it to cook it over the fire.

    Lay it on a rock by the fire with a small hole in the shell or iff you have had a coon or opposum and saved some fat to fry it with it could be fried on a flat or concave rock heated in the fire.

    If you can find a birch tree use the bark to make a bowl and fill it with water and use it as a pot to boil the egg. The bark will ONLY burn to the water level, a paper bagcan be used the same.

    If you got game with a large enouph blader or stomach and save it then tie off one end ahd use entrials to hang the other end open from a stick, fill it with water and move stones heated in the fire to the water to heat it useing sticks to move them and heat the water.

    Use improvised pots if liter is available such as soda cans or beer bottles and such.

    There would be more but those are a few cooking meathods that would pop to mind. Now if possible I would also gather nuts, berries and wild eddibles you KNOW are safe includeing cat tails and use the egg in cooking something more. Find eddible mushrooms and wild onion or garlic and make a nice omlet (AVOID wild carrots as they look almost identical to a form of hemlock that is VERY deadly!!!).

    Grind up a flour from nuts or cat tail roots or what ever and if you have the time run boiling water a few times through some wood ash held in a cloth filter to wash out the lye then add a pinch to the flour (while I havent tried it yet I do know it would be harmless in moderation and as I understand from a reliable source it works like bakeing soda) then if you have some melted fat ad that and the egg (use as many of the ingredients as you can and oh well on the rest) then make it into a dough and bake your biscut on a rock by the fire. If you can find red clover pull the purple snd white bits from the flour and add to the mix for a bit of sweetness and more good stuf.

    Add it to water with wild herbs as you dribble the egg to boiling water and make a kind of egg drop soup. More filling than just the egg and more appealing then the lone ingredients (hopefuly).

    If the weather is dry and its an option I would also try to use other means to start the fire and save the match for when needed (lenses of glases, friction fire, whatever else may be available) and if not then if not on the move try to keep the fire going once started long enouph to get a bed of coals to bank so you can save the next days match.

    I may ad more ideas if I think of them later but there are a few thoughts to get you thinking outside the comfy box.
  20. Ommega

    Ommega Monkey+++

    What, No Beacon?
    Save the match for your night fire and gather some large rock to place around the flames. Now set the egg near the rocks as to have it cook slow for about 15 minutes. The rocks will remain warm long after the fire is gone. bring some salt and pepper next time![beer]
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