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Electric vehicles

Discussion in 'Peak Oil' started by hank2222, May 16, 2018.


  1. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I originally planned to build my own electric S10 pickup.
    Because based on 2006 to 2008 electric vehicle prices they just were not losing value.
    The catastrophic depreciation the mass market electric vehicles are suffering now was completely unexpected.
    My 2011 leaf cost less than what it would have cost me in parts to build my own electric S10 plus my leaf has heat and A/C.
    The leaf has way more range, almost the same power and charges faster than my S10 concept would have.
    I actually went so far as to attain a donar S10 extended cab with a bad engine and manual transmission almost for free.
    I actually ended up selling it in 2013 or 2014 for $850 when I realized how fast electric vehicle prices were falling.
     
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  2. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Id like to have a EV full size wagon ,4 seaters are two too many .
    My main daily drive to village is 20 miles , next drive is loaded to 50 miles and then last drive is 300 to USA /GAS and fully loaded .
    I see power charging stations all over .BC hydro :

    How to charge an electric vehicle
     
  3. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    If I build an electric vehicle I'd make it a hybrid .
    My thoughts are using a motorcycle and a trailer .
    It would be a supplementing device that was self contained in the trailer so that it served to cary the generator and battery system that would power the front wheel on the bike.
    A governed control would engage the front drive ,in concert with the throttle when the vacuum on the engine dropped to a certain point . Taking off and hill climbs then are automatically electrically assisted . Understanding what I do about mechanics the electric is to meant to stand alone ,only to contribute .thus the load still remains on the primary engine.
    Using a trailer ,it is easer to make modifications or abandon all together as necessary .it is a supplement not primary .
     
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  4. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    That was why I was going to use a pickup.
    The only advantage my concept would have over the nissan leaf is it would be able to charge while driving.
     
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  5. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Thought I would add, my son got his 3 YO Leaf for $14K. The car sold new for $35K. Pretty steep depreciation curve, if not for all the subsidies/tax breaks, I don't very many would be sold. He's had it you a couple of years and is still happy with it.

    His DW took the kiddos and grandma to the coast for a vacation. He had to borrow the a car as the Leaf didn't have the legs to make it without a 4 hour stop for recharge in-route. - he did find a public-accessible recharge port along the way, but the chances of it (single) being open were too slim to risk.

    So - OK as a daily commuter. Maybe as an around town car, but not for travel. A hybrid might be the better choice, if one wanted to pay the extra. At this point, no tracks or vans available by any major player as well.

    A diesel-electric setup with a small, constant speed genset, might be something seen in the future. Might.
     
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  6. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready! Site Supporter++

    I've got a 2010 Honda Insight hybrid for my daily commuter car. It's been Rock solid dependable. New, it cost me $20k. At 250k miles, blue book value is still between $3k and $5k. Not too shabby for a low end value.

    It uses torque assistance to help the gasoline engine accelerate or go up hills.
     
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  7. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    A single or 2 pure electric vehicles like the leaf with limited range won't work for most families.
    A gas and an electric, yeah.

    I'm the worst case scenario and I'm making it work.
    I live in the country, have a small battery car, the slow 3.8kw charger found on 2011 and 2012 pure electric cars, no public charging, I pull a trailer.

    From what I hear even the new plug in hybrids use 3.8kw charging.
    Every pure electric car made after 2013 has built in 6.6kw charging.

    Edit: nissan leaf up through at least 2015 can still have 3.8kw charging if you get the base model. If the car has a DC fast charge port then it has the beefed up electronics and will do 6.6kw on the evse and up to 50 or 60kw on a DC fast charger.
     
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  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    If you want a completely quite EV they have a sound generator.
    I know in the 2011 and 2012 nissan leaf you can turn it off. I know by 2015 and up you can't turn if off.
    My preference is stealth mode.
    2018 and up electric and hybrids are all supposed to have it and you aren't supposed to be able to turn it off.
     
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  9. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    A million electric cars sold in the U.S., led by California

    California. Has the most electric vehicles yet has the highest gas prices.
    I hear that gas there is still $3.50 a gallon, but no one seems to have any idea where that money goes because it sure as hell isn't being spent on the roads.
    As of 2017 there were almost 270 million cars on the road in the US.
    That's more than double the number from 2015.
    That means almost 4 our of every 1000 vehicles is electric.
    Even my nissan leaf was originally sold to some sucker in California for around $38,000. $8,500 of California state money helped pay for the car.
    No wonder they are almost bankrupt.
    My car was registered in socal from 2011 to 2014, the battery was toast and replaced under warranty in 2014 then it was moved to Illinois about the same time as the battery was replaced. Then this year I got it.
    5 years later the battery by my calculations still has a little over 20kwh of accessible capacity left, which is excellent.
    (A brand new 2014 nissan batt only has about 21.5kwh accessible)
     
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  10. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

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  11. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Who wants to be forced to buy and drive an electric vehicle?
    If you vote democrat that's what you want.

    The new green deal from AOC gets rid of all liquid fuel passenger vehicles and air planes. How the hell are you supposed to travel anywhere?

    They don't care they're rich government officials so they will still have planes and all the shit we aren't allowed to have.
    This isn't to save the environment, it's a power grab.
     
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  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I found out what makes electric car people go ape shit.
    At least the ones diluted enough to think that their vehicle is really "zero emissions", yeah they really hate being reminded that their car really burns natural gas and coal.
    NM has a lot of wind power but not so much at night when I usually charge mine, that means mostly natural gas and coal and I don't lose any sleep over it.
     
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  13. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

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