EMP, the electromagnetic pulse countermeasures

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  1. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    Wow! Thank you. That'll keep me busy for awhile.
     
  2. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/...CISA_EMP-Protection-Resilience-Guidelines.pdf

    the view form the hambone side of things -https://www.qsl.net/n9zia/emp.html (hint, read for giggles)

    A bit old (1973) but from the folks at Oak Ridge labs
    https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/773423.pdf

    Air University paper - https://media.defense.gov/2018/Nov/...DEMAIO_ELECTROMAGNETIC_DEFENSE_TASK_FORCE.PDF

    from the boffins - Fast Rise-time Intensive EMP Protection for Communication RF Front End - IEEE Conference Publication
    Fast Rise-time Intensive EMP Protection for Communication RF Front End
     
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  3. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    20210325_155056. 20210325_155056.

    Does anyone have any input on these to use as emp protection. They are wrapped with duct tape metal tape and then copper tape. A couple layers of each. Inside is lined with cardboard. Then when full wrap the space between the lid and box with more aluminum and then copper tape.

    Any thought? Thank you

    20210325_155045.
     
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    The only way to really tell is to put a Battery operated Recording Spectrum Analyzer inside, and haul it up near one of your areas Hi Power RF Transmission Sites... When I lived in Seattle, we would use the Tiger Mountain Site for these type of tests I know Boeing used that site a few times... or for a quicky test QueenAnn Hill up where three TV Transmitter Towers are, and a Ton of Pager Transmitters, or Capital Hill which has two TV Towers plus aBIG AT&T LongLines Microwave Site...
    Then measure the db losses when you close the Lid...
     
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  5. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    Arggggggg. I thought it would be something like that. Never been able to get a clear answer before.
     
  6. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    240MHz ~ 960MHz, 2.35GHz ~ 2.55GHz Handheld Spectrum Analyzer -115 ~ -5dBm Features Hold, Max, Ave, USB Port Includes Antennas (Directional and Stick), Battery
    Would something like this work?
     
  7. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Only if it records, for playback later.... In order to fully characterize your box, you can’t have any wires passing thru the shield...
     
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  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Put a cell phone or cordless phone there and call it. If the phone rings you have your answer.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2022
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  9. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    Both a cell phone and a radio dont work inside it but my understanding is that the neither have enough power to be an adequate test
     
  10. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    If they don't receive then it works. You have attenuated the signal enough to protect the devices unless you are standing right under the EMP event, then it rally isn't a concern.
     
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  11. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Even a short between the handle links and the lid will pass loose rf induced currents.
     
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  12. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    I thought about that. Taped the inside of lid with both aluminum and copper
     
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    IF they don't get a signal then you know the box didn't fail miserably.
    Most "shield boxes" allow a phone to work just fine.
     
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  14. Illini Warrior

    Illini Warrior Illini Warrior

    that and using a kitchen microwave are the two biggest prepper hoaxes going >>>
    that's been passed along about cell phones since the 1st days of those big bag phones - before that it was portable AM/FM radios
     
  15. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    Can you go into more detail about cell phone issue?
     
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  16. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Microwave ovens run at Gigahertz Frequencies... Usually at like 10Ghz... and Cellphones start at 800-900 Mhz and now there are bands upto and including 2.6Ghz and soon Above 10 Ghz... The issue is that EMP is a VERY, VERY, WIDEBAND phenomenon, which incompasses ALL the RF Spectrum from DC TO Light in one single Extremely High Power Pulse... So if your package/Cage/Box has leaks at any Frequency it just doesn’t do well in an EMP Attack... and you measure it’s shielding at just one, or just a few frequencies, you really are NOT getting a Clear picture of how well you package will work in such an EMP attack.. For many decades the Test Equipment to characterize such a Box wasn’t available, to all but a very few folks, and was very Expensive... So, trying to do the job with what you can find around, and commonly available in cities, limits how good of data you really get from your tests...
     
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  17. JrOrtiz

    JrOrtiz Monkey

    Thank you. That helps to explain a lot.
     
  18. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I use a steel filling cabinet.
     
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  19. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    My microwave says it runs 2.5GHz.
     
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  20. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    2.5Ghz is the old S-band version... 10Ghz is the X-babd version
     
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