I read that in Europe the people use 3-4 sheets and Americans use 6-7. I was trying to conserve for tshtf time and i found that i can get away with 2-3 sheets for peeing, not the other, and the roll lasts a lot longer. I'm thinking in bad times we won't have much. Well, there's pages from a phone bk - you crumple the page over and over and it gets soft - so save those old phone bks and get more from your friends who will be Glad to get rid of em. In bad times a water bottle with some soap in it works too. They do that in India and i had some eastern friends and they still do it. The only thing that touches them is the water.